mff - I like your drills, its basically the same as we do. Why do you do the slow aimed fire before the V&P?

Thank you mffjm.:cool:

I need to start shooting shorter "more likely" pistol ranges when I practice. I started shooting myine at 15 paces (16 yards). Of course, my groups didn't look like RL's.

I found it REALLY made me pay attention to fundamentals if I wanted to have groups.


What stance were you shooting from RL?

Standing, both feet pointed at target.

3-5, 3-5, 3-5

ROTFLMAO - What is the title of this thread? Only two choices:

Most likely the name of the stance was "Proper AF" as in "Shooter, assume a Proper Aggressive Firing Stance."

The second choice would have involved a jungle boot and the stud's 4th POC - if he comitted a safety violation.

It doesn't sense!
 

To begin shooting from that distance...to hard to gauge the fundamentals.

As far as stance... similar to a boxers' stance.

LOL...
Guy, Let me clarify... I didn't "begin" shooting pistols at that range. I have been shooting guns for 20 years. My post was worded badly.

I "began" shooting my latest addition (Kimber .45) at that distance. Just going to have to change the bulk of my practicing from a range of 15 yds down to 5 -7 with it. I will still shoot at the longer distances, just shoot a higher % at the closer ranges.

On stance.. I have always practiced in the stance described by Guy. Jsut wanted to find out what the TS is teaching. I usually have a very experienced shooter with me to watch me and correct my minor mistakes. He has been shooting for over 50 yrs, including in military combat. Not a TS though... :D

Roger that!

I only teach one stance, straight on. (iso position for pistol)

You can ask RL where I stand when teaching, and I do NOT recommend anyone teach utilizing this method unless they are a seasoned weapons instructor. (A QP will understand.)

I like to think I can teach as well as I can shoot. There is another QP on here that has witnessed my shooting ability.

MFF,
Your assessment works fine for a professional. Had I run a civilian through that, the first shooting session would be over before the assessment was complete!
(Our HALO ODA was once challenged by the SOT ODA and I happened to have a broken right thumb. There is another QP on this board that was there and can report what transpired that day. It was very amusing)

TS

I'll try again....

For the guys on that shoot often its just a warm up....

but for my newer guys that dont have much pistol experience then it gets them familiar with firing the pistol and sets them up to make identifiable fundamental mistakes on the first B&D drill if they are going to have problems.....

TS,

I agree that some may not be able to progress to 15 meters as the session dictates. It does give me a chance to evaluate who can progress and who cannot....who needs more B&D and more work at closer ranges with fundamental work from 3 to 4 before progressing to 1-4 work or more advanced CTEs.....


mp

ND?:D

roger, and I appologize....

when shall I report to the board?

mp :(

????

LOL- he hit the submit reply button before he was ready.

No board MFF - you are a Team Sergeant, just stand in front of a mirror and give yourself the "Team Sergeant Stare". LOL

I'm a civilian, and yet I am LMAO!!! Good one, NDD.

Sights? Boy you city kids have all the good stuff.

Well, RL... do you have some info for the jawbreaker? LOL :munchin

Here is a diagram.

Thanks RL. We were typing at the same time. :cool:

Team Sergeant or other QP's-

Why would a civilian not be a suitable subject for the exercises that mffjm has suggested? Please give lil' saca more info on what was meant by this.


On another note- brief back forum has been lonely lately... why not a TS shooting competition story for the episode you described in your prior post. :munchin

Aaah so. The old telephone pole/railroad tracks technique - very seldom used except by Team Sergeants.:D

Are you left handed RL?

Excellent observation

mp

We'll have to see if I was right.

If so, my normal answer would be "Recon Man! Nothing gets by me." But with the QPs on this board, I wouldn't DARE! LOL

No.

Hahaha!

TR

What is the theory, if I may ask?

No theory. Just based on where the TS was standing. Since you're not wrong handed, it boils down to instructor preference. I won't say anymore - no giving away tips of the trade.:D

Reaper, no making fun. I said "if" i was right.:D

There is a distinct difference between combat -vs- target shooting.


Notice when he said "broken thumb"...the thumbs play a major role when it comes to combat shooting!

This thread makes me wish I'd grown up in America... I think I've seen a gun maybe three times over here!
:(

Damn gun laws...

Solid

Ahhhh, it is not the gun you see, it is the gun you don't see. In the words of another of my favorite Team Sergeant's, "Check the hands!!!"

Maybe it is just not being able to teach FOGs new tricks but I also prefer the isosceles technique. For me it was a lot easier to address the threat quicker and allowed my limited flexibility not to enhance the challenge of taking out the target. Also, position of the TS looks good to me, never was into eating ejected cartridge cases.

:)

Jack Moroney

To clarify what google is telling me-
Isoceles is feet shoulder-space apart, chest square to target
and Weaver is side-on like a boxer's stance?

Thank you,

Solid

Solid, what boxing stance has you side-on to a target? Kinda hard to throw a good cross, or any right hand punch, with your upper body twisted to the left.

Sorry, poor explanation. One foot slightly forward of the other (in my case left) was what I meant.

Whoops..

Solid

Solid,
Weaver is weak-side shoulder pointing toward the target. I wish I could remember where I saw the stat, but I think the FBI did a study and found that no matter what stance they trained on, when agents reacted to a shooting situation under stress, they automatically adopted an isosceles stance. I'll do some googling later to try and corroborate that.

Several have stated this, including Col. Applegate. From what I have seen, they go into an isosceles and kind of dance with their feet. Unless they've been trained.

There is some good info on this here

LOL - DAMN! REVERSAL - TWO POINTS!

I don't teach point shooting.

The day USSF uses/teaches point shooting is the day professional wrestling becomes an Olympic sport.

Col Applegate's idea was great and ahead of its time. That was then. It's 2004, time for double actions, double stack mag's and using sights instead of pointing and praying.

TS

LOL - Ok, ok. No point shooting. I tried it and didn't like it either.

One cannot shoot the groups in the above pictured targets via point shooting.

I do believe I could teach a person that has never held a pistol to shoot bullet holes through bullet holes in one day. Provided they are in good health, and possess a better than adverage grip.

I actually enjoy teaching the type of people that could not hit the water if they fell off the boat.

Reference to a recent experience?:munchin