Hmmmmmmmmm Why do I feel like I messed up that German above?

Yes Sir. I'm in North Bavaria (Franken).

Yep; the "old" Flint Kaserne was fantastic. I don't know much of it's history but there is a lot of history to it. Why we gave up a place like that, and we owned it. I am glad I wasn't stationed there when they made the move to Panzer Kaserne. That would be like going from heaven to hell.

Rather than Google and find a map of Germany, which I have a few of, just not available right now. Let me ask you this. How far from Toelz are you? Driving wise.

Asking for a couple reasons, I'll get to those later. One more question. How often do you get to Bad Toelz?

Thanks..........

Yeah bost. I agree. Most the guys out here would to, that were stationed there. The traing we did, was just outside your door.

206 miles.

I haven't been to Bad Tölz since a few years. But I'll travel through this area most likely in August this year when I'm on my way to Austria... and once more on my way back.

OK. Thanks Jaeger. Lately, I have been on a quest. Trying to remember the name of a place, I used to just about live in, when I wasn't off somewhere else. Problem is, I can't remember the name, neither can my EX. We knew the owner, his mom and Oma. His name was Herbie. His restaurant, bar was east of the Isar. It'll come back to me sometime. :)

If you get the chance in August. Think you would have time and look up a name in the phone directory for me? I tried Googling for that, but came up with nothing.

One of the guys on my team was married to a local gal that was born and rasied in Toelz. Her name was Rosie. His name was Ron Brown. He would be long retired by now. Perhaps he settled in Toelz.

I just searched for them on http://www.teleauskunft.de/ and called the german phone directory enquiries - both negative. So there won't be any entry in the Bad Tölz phone directory neither.

Some people just don't want to have their numbers in the public directories. :rolleyes:

I could call the BT inhabitants registration office to find out if they live or lived in the area of BT, if you want.

I could also use nonofficial sources to find them, if you want.

If it is the Ron Brown with a twin brother named Don, he lives in NC, last I heard.

TR

Thanks Jaeger. I appreciate the time you took to check it out. it was just a thought. I have no real reason for thinking he would retire there. However, I do love the part about using "nonofficial sources" thing. Don't know why, just seem to relate to it. :D

Thanks TR. If he had a twin brother, I either wasn't aware of it, or forgot. His full name was... Brown, Ronald W. He was our senior commo guy.

AKA "Charlie" Brown...haven't seen him since i left BT in '83...he was going to retire "soon", but i think he may have stayed on to make E9...

Yeah Steve, he was called "Charlie" Brown and Brownie. Did you ever meet his wife?

oh, hell yeah...we were both on the battalion staff for awhile...we got together frequently...good folks...

Her name was Rosie right? She was born and raised in Toelz?

Rosie...yup...she born and raised near Toelz...i think it was Greiling, but i may be confusing her with another one of the local lovelies...

Well damn! Finally ran into someone out here, that knew someone, I did way back when. :cool:

You're right Steve, They are great folks. I don't suppose, they still had Leon (a St Bernard).

Would be great to find 'Charlie' Brown and get him out here. One of the QP's sent me an email for a Ronald W. Brown. I emailed him yesterday. Not sure if it is Brownie though. I have an old Team pic, I'll scan and send to you Steve.

who else could Ronald W. Brown be...? thinking back, could be that Rosie was from Gaissach...never used to get Greiling and Gaissach confused...now, the only drop zone i remember for sure is Karen...i can't remember if Grief was up the road toward Greiling or if it was Edith...:confused:

Can only be one 'Charlie' Brown in SF, married to a local gal named Rosie. But as I remember, she was born and raised in Toelz. Anywhere in the area is close enough. :) I don't remember if any of the DZ's we used even had names. I do remember the one we jumped into the most. It was a farmer's field. Of course, he gave his permission and all and was notified about each jump. The guy had an evil sense of humor however. When he knew we would be 'dropping in' he would choose those days to bring out his 'honey wagon' and well, prep the DZ for us. Pleasant. :D

Brad:

That sure sounds like Karen DZ. Great Gueat house on the way back to Flint Kaserne. We always had to ruck back and stop at that guest house everytime. If the Team Sgt wasn't with us, we would have a beer.

if he was with us, we'd have two...:D

never wore serviceable fatigues to jump Karen...you're right, the sick bastard would always spread his liquified cow dung the day of a drop...being DZSO at Karen was another treat...spend several hours out there, taking in the aroma...

After Joe Alderman left and Steve Omasta became Tm Sgt we would drink a beer or two then. With Joe it was Spatleze. The honey wagon was well known on Karen. On one jump we even had a guy land on a cow that was laying down. The old girl jump up, kicked him and shattered his leg.

Probably was the same DZ bost. Seemed to jump that one more than any other. Only one or two beers? :D

Spetzi...Spatleze would be noodles...Spetzi was beer and 7-Up (or the German equivalent thereof...
Steve Omasta...haven't heard that name in awhile...probably 25 years or so...:munchin

I wonder if that's a regional thing, as around Wuerzberg/Schweinfurt, beer and 7-up was called Radler Bier, and usually served to children at fests. Spetzi was some type of combination of cola and orange Fanta sold pre-mixed.

you're right...Radler...bost led me astray with his noodles...but spetzi was both a specific and generic term, not unlike coke...it was either cola and Fanta or cola and the house brand citrus drink...radlers were beer and limonade as i recall...if i recall...

Yeah it was half Bier and half Limonade. It was also a very popular drink at rest stops and such along the Autobahn.

What can I say, I left there 26 years ago. Never could spell German very good. The beer was always the first choice.

amen...:D

Bottom line, any of that beer is good! :lifter If only I could get posted there again (nothing like foreign travel on Uncle Sugar's dime).

Yep, retirement sucks for that reason, no free travel!

PMFJI, Brad thought it might be a good idea to bump this thread up.
My relation to 10th SF is in my profile, Brad has a little more detailed info, names and photos from Tölz. Feel free to ask !

OK, may I set the record straight ? :p

Spezi: a mix of orange lemonade and coke (my wifes favorite)
Spätzle: the noodle specialty from Baden-Württemberg (also copied in Bavaria)
Spätlese: "late collect" of grapes that saw the first frost. Thus the stuff is awful sweet and gives you a headache (well, at least after two or three .75 Liter bottles):eek: I´m more the Riesling type.
7up and beer is a RADLER, 7up and Weissbier is a RUSSE (Russky, I don´t know why they called that a Russian...:confused: ).

Last but not least the bad news:

Flint Kaserne is a shopping mall now. :mad:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3...tcenterkv7.jpg

For those of you who understand German:

Ausgezeichnet Mike.

Mike, yearrrrrrrrs ago was taken under an A Team's wing over there. I'll let him explain the details. ;)

Mike, when you have the chance. Tell us about the apartment complex across from Flint. The one, that when I was there was called the 'Kinder Fabrik" All these guys know of it.

Dankeschön Brad !

Years ago... Yes, like 15,16,17... Damn, I miss those days. :(

The housing area. Don´t get me there... :mad: It´s a problem spot for the Bad Tölz Polizei now. The Kinderfabrik is now a refugee-Kinder Fabrik. After the wars in Yugoslavia and the middle east it´s full of Kosovos, Albanians, Iraqis and other nationalities known for causing problems.

I drive/ride by there all the time and it´s sad to see what happend, to both the Kaserne and the housing area...:(

I know the feelings I had, when you first told me about that Mike. There are alot of others on here that served there. I believe they will feel the same.

Brad, wait until you see it... I guess it will take more than one Fass of Bier to kill the pain...:(

Greast thread! Yes, DZ Karen was a crap fest to jump into. That's where I got my German jump wings in a T-10 and busted my butt hard. The German JM would ask us, "Is your gear OK?" We'd say OK and off we went, no JM check! We did 5 (3?) jumps in a day and the winds were high. Gave new meaning to "running with the wind"!

DZ Snowy was my favorite winter DZ. We'd kick an achio sled with our skis in it and ski off the DZ.

I forget the name of the DZ that was right behind the kaserne; it was kind of a boggy area. We were jumping out of a Huey and Davey Pills caught a thermal and it took him over the mountian. Tiny Young was the 4th man out , I was 7th. I had a delayed opening and beat Tiny to the ground:eek: . Chief Harrison was on the DZ and laughed his azz off at me!

I hadn't heard Omasta's name in 22 years either.

Yesterday I downloaded Google Earth and looked at arial shots of Tölz. Amazing! Try it! I couldn't find the Elbach run trails though.

DZ Karen WAS a crap fest to jump into. There were times when I was first guy in the door. I swear, as the farmer shut off the valve to his honey wagon, I saw a very proud smirk. :D

Even when I was there, That area was popular for Soaring. Mountains, updrafts, thermals, downdrafts, winds from whatever direction. There were more than a few times some guy cut below me and swiped my air. Then again, it wasn't all that strange to look up at your canopy and see boot prints running across it. Sometimes they were my boots on another guy's chute. But when that wind gauge is read wrong coupled with the gusts. Holy crap!! Not to mention the various barbed wire fence lines. Did make for a great night at the NCO club though.

I've been using that Google earth deal for Toelz for a couple of weeks. Looking for an old friend. Well his Gasthof. Mike has been helping me out over there. I'll look back into one of the possibilities that Mike sent me and post it. This Gasthof had their own site. Unnnnnnnnnbelieveable! Mind you, he was going on how I described the lay of the land, for this place. I checked out the menu. :(

Kinda.... ummmmm..... humid there huh? ;) I know, I lived in FL for a few years. Have an aunt in Tampa and a brother in Ft Myers.

Never had 79 degrees and 82% humidity, with a dewpoint of 73 in Toelz at 3AM. ;)

Brad, like I said, the best thing would be that we just cruise around the area and look for something familiar...:cool:

That farmer must have lived for a long time (and maybe is still alive). I remember him spraying the liquid BS until they closed Flint in 1991...:D