I don't even want to know

Wow, I just hope he was right handed.

Was that an attempt at "Dis-arming" of a misfire ?? When you say de-arming gun are you referring to a "Water-Cannon" or "Disrupter" ?? PM if you prefer.

Later
Martin

TR, do you happen to also have a picture of the Range Control guy's face that came to see why you guys suddenly called for a cold range? :)

We had the keys to the range permanently.

EOD refused to respond to our range allegedly due to the improvised, expedient and other non-standard munitions we employed.

As they put it. "You built 'em, you shot 'em, YOU clear 'em. We ain't coming to Coleman Range for you guys, ever."

Nice, since Demo Committee shot 60,000 lbs of demo per year, much in the aforementioned more hazardous improvised munitions, expended it training almost 1,000 students per year, and were on the range an average of 10 days per month, and were not authorized Demo Pay, but EOD was.

We did get put in check fire occasionally when someone in the area (COSMONITES camping adjacent to the range, low flying planes, people back on main post with rattled windows) would complain.

War Story for RL:

We had almost 500 lbs. of charges placed on five seperate ring mains burning downrange, the first (a steel cutting shot) went off. Radio starts squawking, Range 69, check fire, CHECK FIRE!!

I reach out of the bunker and grab the handset to see what is up while continuing to look at my watch for the countdown.

Ask Range Control what is up. They say that a unit has taken incoming frag from our range. I ask how the unit knows it is ours. He says that they are up by the entrance to the range where the stopped for lunch and they heard the boom before they got fragged. I ask him if he means by the sign saying "Range 69, Coleman Demo" and "Danger, Explosives" right by where the big red hot range flag is flying, he checks with them and says "yes".

Since he missed my first attempt at humor, and we have a few seconds before the next explosion takes place, I ask Range Control if he has one of those Ft Bragg Range Special maps handy, he says of course, it is right there on the wall. I ask him to look at the big red circle around Range 69, and tell me if they are in the clearly posted "Danger Zone" area indicated on the map.

He says yes, and reminds me to check fire. I tell him that I cannot, I have fuzes burning downrange. He tells me to go cut them. Everyone in the bunker is looking at me by this point, and I tell him, "I don't think I will". He "orders" me to do so. I laugh and tell him that if he wants someone to go downrange and cut burning fuzes on 400 lbs. of demo, he needs to drive out to the range real fast and do it himself. I then key up the handset as the next charge goes off about 5 seconds later so that he can hear it back at Range Contol. He tells me to safe and clear after the charges are all shot and call him on the land line. I call his boss instead, and talk about safety and common sense.

Fun and games with explosives.

TR

I assume you are referring to XVIII Corps EOD. They were as worthless a group of "soldiers" as I ever had the displeasure of working with. In Somalia, but that's another story.

Can you say BOOM !! I was WAAAYYYY TOO CLOSE to this !!

This was seen by the Control Tower at Tan Son Nhut Air Base in Saigon some 70 clicks to the West.

And another.

:eek:...

Me in the crater.

Sgt. Celano, one of the KIA on the Brightlight Mission.

That look on your face says, "DAMN! I've got to do that again!" Priceless

As I stood there taking those Pics, I heard what sounded kind of like rain and took the camera down to see a SKY FULL OF CHUNKS THE SIZE OF THE ONE THAT I'M HOLDING !!!! I dove under the 3/4 Ton and that stuff "Rained Down" for a good Minute. It beat the "Rag Top" off of the Truck !!! Those Pics were not taken with a Telephoto, just a plain old 50mm Lens.

It's pictures and stories like these that motivated me to want to become an 18C. :D

Tony, if I had worked for you, I probably would have never left.

:)

Been out of town and just saw this now. Thanks! Good one.

BTTT this thread.

Holy smokes!

Hollywood shot, pressed the button on this one.

Name this UXO
 

Okay 18 Series please name the below on this munition. I know you EOD Techs can slam this out, give us a week to name this. No Pun with SLAM. I'll like to see if 18C's can name it. I know that every 18C has graduated since 2003 have gotten a UXO block.

Name the following:
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What weapon fires this warhead.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?


Okay here's a new PIX to help you out.

New PIX
 

Its been more than a week no takers. New PIX too.

MG - I'm surprised none of the sluggos have taken you up on this one. IIRC it's still pretty common and the Bravos actually get to shoot them. (Everybody better know how - the instructions are printed on the launcher!) :munchin Peregrino

:munchin :D :munchin

Roger that.

I'm waiting for the Charlies as well.

If they don't hurry up, I am going to pass Ernie some names for remedial training.:D

TR

OK, First off, I am WAY OUTTA MY LANE HERE!!! I definately fit the Wannabe in the thread title, but here goes:

1: the projectile in the second pic appears to be an 84 mm HEAT round

2:It's UXO, I have no formal instruction, but that means its at least a bit dangerous.

3:AT4 single shot anti-tank weapon

4:appears to be a Point initiating, Base detonating fuze similar to the RPG series of anti-tank weapons. Also, I believe this weapon has a fuze more sensitive to shallow impacts than previous designs

5:I honestly don't know what BIP means

If I am way out of line here, Someone please delete this post and in any event, have a good one.

Good times,
Blake

:confused:

18C's and Wannabes, Name This Item
 

Damn all this waiting in line!! I am going to call Ernie.

BMT

I couldn't ID the exact rocket based on memory or looking through the one IED book I received in the course. Looking at the picture I would expect it to have venturis out the rear of the motor if it was a rocket but I don't remember the backside of a AT4 outside of its tube. The picture here is consistent with a picture of a AT4 rocket that I googled. The ejecting fins would also be another indication that is most likely a rocket.

Based on this I would say it would be a Projected munition, Rocket, HEAT. What appears to be a break in the major diameter would indicate a HEAT round.

Fuzing would be PIBD/Lucky.

Safety hazards: Due to the Lucky crystal take into consideration Static and EMR when approaching it. Do not a cast a shadow over the rocket to prevent a possible temperature changed detected by the Lucky crystal. Do not move in front of the rocket due to its HEAT round/shaped charge. Do not move it do the sensitive lucky crystal. HE/FRAG/JET/EJECTION would also apply.

BIP: Because its a HEAT round I would want to take out both the shaped charge and the motor itself. I would prime a block of C4 and place it where the break in the major diameter would cut the C4 block in half. The C4 block would not be touching the rocket but it would be close as possible to ensure destruction of the rocket.


I could really use that refresher course. With Korean out of the way I'll be hitting all my books/notes that I have to get myself back up to speed at least reading wise. Haven't seen or touched a piece of demo for about 9 months.

You know guys, when it takes an 18A to tell you that is an AT-4 projectile, I have to wonder about the quality of both the 18B and 18C training. The 84mm cartridge consists of a fin assembly with tracer element; a point-initiating, base-detonating, piezoelectric fuze; a warhead body with liner; and a precision-shaped explosive charge.

We were teaching UXO back in the late 80s. You need to pay attention to this particularly given the requirements we have these days for UXO and for munitions destruction. It could save your life to know these things.

This is definitely going to be brought up with Ernie in the very near future.

Good work gtcrispy. Your description, handling procedures and BIP sound good to me. You can be the Junior Engineer Sergeant on my team, anytime. The rest of you guys, drop and start pushing.

TR

x2 - Though you might cut Air.177 some slack. He did ID it and he was honest about the "out of my lane" part. Of course the sledgehammer hints might have helped. :p Peregrino

BIP = Blow In Place

Tallyho P, will add that one to my list of Acronyms to know.

AM's training materials are slightly out of date as you may imagine, I believe we are up to "Black Powder and Gun Cotton and their place on the modern Battlefield":D

Roger that TR, Knockin em out.

Good times,
Blake

Blake:

You are not on the PU demonstration team, your guess was pretty good, but are not a member of the target audience questioned.

Peregrino was right, I should have given you due credit, especially as a young civilian taking a shot.

TR

About Time
 

Blake - Credit is very well do -like TR said especially for a civilian with no formal training. ( I'm geussing) thats some good Googling or ASK or whichever search engine you used. :rolleyes:

gtcrispy - Good job on your add ons. Your Safety hazards were especially well stated. Thats the first thing you start to forget. On your BIP -What is the method or better how. Good job on not moving the UXO :D

Now try teaching a ODA all of them. That why taking that UXO/MINE CD-ROM from the 18C course is so important. Get that SOMRAD book printed out for each of your vehciles or load the TDAs and ORDATA II onto your ODA computers.

BMT - Have you made that call yet?? Man that took a long time - and a Civillian had to answer first. :confused:
I guess these NEW 18 Charlies are looking for the other guy to put his hand up first. So HE doesn't look like the dummy (@$$).
VG

training
 

I remember me and another NCO having to "fight" to get UXO added to the 18C30 CTL during a CTRB. Good thing LTG L was in the seat and that became a hot issue. People wanted to keep it in the ANCOC side of the teaching house. I said, "wait we have 18C (Jr) going to a team with nothing more than knowing about mines." Something is wrong here. They don't get to ANCOC until they are E7s so that will be 2 to 6/8 (18X) years. So they have to institutional training on the subject.

Nme this
 

Okay 18C name the below on this munition.

Name the following:
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What weapon "fires" this warhead.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?

I'm going to be the next untrained, no-prior-service wannabe to wander out of my lane for this thread. But the thread title includes wannabes, so here goes.

1. It appears to be a BLU-97/B munition. Scored steel, designed to fragment and really screw the day for anyone nearby. I believe this is an anti-tank weapon.

2. Fragmentation plus incendiary effects. Essentially a 20 cm long x 6 cm diameter frag grenade. Hard to see in the shadow of the black metal / plastic, but perhaps the collar didn't push up to arm the munition? If my earlier assumption is correct (that this an anti-tank weapon), then this is an impact-triggered submunition and should have detonated on hitting a target or the ground. Perhaps it really is armed but the sandy soil cushioned the impact enough to prevent detonation?

3. CBU-87, TLAM-D, and a JSOW? The CBU-87 is an aircraft-launched cluster bomb.

4. The munition should arm at 6.5 G. The CBU-87/B has a FZU-39/B proximity sensor (timer or radar proximity sensor) for releasing the BLU-97s, I'm still looking for the individual munition detonator.

5. Unlike the last test item, this one has no motor to destroy. I'd imagine a C4 block would do this job as well, but what I don't know would fill libraries. If it's impact-triggered, might a well-placed shot set it off?

As with Air.177 I'm out of my league. If only the Quiet Professionals are supposed to post here please delete this post.

1. It looks to be a BLU-97/B
2. Effective against armor, personnel and material
3. The BLU-97/b are dropped from a CBU-87, an all-purpose, air-delivered cluster weapons system.
4. FZU-39/B proximity sensor
5. The only thing I found for BIP methods involved using a flare (either electric match ignited or time fuse ignited) which caused the munition to crack thus neutralized it.

Edited to noted: Damn it someone beat me to it!

Dropped/Sub-munition BLU-97/B as noted "Engineer Killer".

Dispensed from: CBU-87 & Tomahawk Guided Missle Surf-Surf and Sub-Surf

Just want to state first off that I ID'd the munition in the picture as a scatterable submunition. There were no foreign markings I could see so based on the NATO color sytem I would classify it as a HE type. I used the Operational Support Guide for Joint Service EOD: Iraqi AO book as well the cd based version to ID the exact munition. BLU-97/B HEAT submunition.

Safety Hazards: HE/FRAG/MOVE/EMR/STATIC/CS(dispensed)/FIRE/LUCKY/JET.
As a note I had written down from class if there is a parachute/streamer attached to the munition and there is a 5kt or greater wind DO NOT approach the munition.

Fuzing: Impact Inertia fuze classified as a PIBD.

BIP: I would want to stay as far away as possible from this munition. One method a 18C had mentioned when he came by class to talk to us based on his very recent dealings in Afghanistan. Based on memory he said he would get some type of cardboard and then attached a length of cord to this so he could drag near the munition without having to be near it. Could prime a block of C4 and use MDI along the length of the cord. Once the C4 is near the munition go ahead and find cover and initiate the MDI. My concerns with this are finding cover, being far away enough from the munition, getting the C4 close enough to the munition so that it is destoryed and not thrown somewhere else on the battlefield.


I'm all ears so please educate me more.

Answers
 

OKAY - gtcrispy, Spartan359, and Pinhead all a good job on the numbers.

1) Type by function - (Type) Dropped/Sub-munition BLU-97/B (function?) Remeber if your a Charlie that there are how many Types of UXOs? Not categories - Types.
Also, remember that Type by Function is in both Filler and the fuze. That is by I have broken this question answer in this way.

2) gtcrispy you had the best SH - HE/FRAG/MOVE/EMR/STATIC/CS(dispensed)/FIRE/LUCKY/JET
3) gtcrispy - Impact Inertia fuze classified as a PIBD some also it is called a All-ways acting fuze. It can move basiclly in four direction.
3) Spartan359 - FZU-39/B proximity sensor (Good job)
4) Pinhead best job on coveringmost of them CBU-87, TLAM-D, and a JSOW? The CBU-87 is an aircraft-launched cluster bomb
5) BIP - I cover some way on doing it.
(1) 1/4 to 1/2 block C4 next to but not
(2) SMUD the UXO
(3) use a TRAP system
(4) get a PakBot EOD for your ODA - I'm asking for two each. Remote Disposal of UXO the best way :D
(5) The way the 18C mentioned doing it - no major problems IMHO. He got it disposal of and didn't get killed ;) mission accomplished.

When you disposal of it you need to remember your SH on BIPing it. This one has a JET SH.

Okay now for the next UXO no answers from gtcrispy, Spartan359, and Pinhead for 7 days. Let see if some other 18C or people can ID them.

Thanks Great Job

My first choice would be one of the remote-controlled, up-armored Bobcats that my company made for Army Rapid Equipping Force, but I figured that's not something an ODA would have. Certainly not if it jumped in! :D I completely forgot about the Packbots - oops!