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Surgicalcric 01-25-2007 19:16

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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
...Me: But your Brigade SOP says green is fine-YOU told me green was fine before we left CONUS:mad:
Them: We don't go by the SOP-all your gear needs to be ACU
Me: Fine:rolleyes: ...

Eagle

So its OK for your command to decide which SOP's to follow and which not to? Thats a pretty dangerous precedent they are setting on one hand, on the other how is one to enforce SOP's that arent SOP's?

FYI, Tactical Applications Group in Jacksonville, NC will be offering the Spartan II in ACU in a couple months if you are looking to get out of that IBA carrier. The Spartan II is the commercially available model of the USMC's new carrier which is built by Eagle Ind... Its very similar in design to the Land CIRAS though it accepts IBA panels. It is however not releasable. And its a might bit cheaper than the CIRAS at $275.00. Just thought I'd mention it...

Stay safe out there Sir.

Crip

Roguish Lawyer 01-25-2007 19:26

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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Counsel:

I can recognize a P2000 when I see it.

OK, so it's like porn? :munchin :D ;)

CATAtonic426 01-25-2007 19:37

Am I crazy, or is that an inox/stainless finish beretta in that pic?

The Reaper 01-25-2007 19:51

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
OK, so it's like porn? :munchin :D ;)

Perhaps it is a bit in that I clearly know it when I see it, and it does not appear that you do.:D

TR

Surgicalcric 01-25-2007 19:56

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Originally Posted by CATAtonic426
Am I crazy...

I would say the bluing is worn off...

Crip

The Reaper 01-25-2007 20:05

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Originally Posted by CATAtonic426
Am I crazy, or is that an inox/stainless finish beretta in that pic?

You need to get a new glasses prescription.

That worn out, raggedy Italian M-9 pimp gun, which is only 20% the age of the venerable 1911, is what our fine American elected representatives give our troops to do their jobs, along with some weak-assed magazines that will not feed rounds reliably.

I wish we treated our weapons more like our vehicles, with better feeding and scheduled maintenance.

TR

Jack Moroney (RIP) 01-25-2007 20:09

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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
I guess that about does it. Happy to answer if there are questions...this was the best pic I could come up with from a recent patrol.....
TR likes my codpiece :D

Eagle

Damn Doc, you have a lot of great gadgets-my patrols were a little lighter on the equipment.

Roguish Lawyer 01-25-2007 20:18

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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Perhaps it is a bit in that I clearly know it when I see it, and it does not appear that you do.:D

TR

LOL

Sir, I did identify the manufacturer of the weapon. As I believe you would acknowledge, there is not a huge difference in the appearance of the USP and the P2000, especially when most of the weapon is concealed by Eagle's mammoth paws. :munchin

The Reaper 01-25-2007 20:21

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney
Damn Doc, you have a lot of great gadgets-my patrols were a little lighter on the equipment.

You know, Sir, that vest would look right at home in a Vermont duck blind.

No CAR-15s, though.

TR

The Reaper 01-25-2007 20:25

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
LOL

Sir, I did identify the manufacturer of the weapon. As I believe you would acknowledge, there is not a huge difference in the appearance of the USP and the P2000, especially when most of the weapon is concealed by Eagle's mammoth paws. :munchin

So, I take it that you could not see it in the center of the first photo, which we would request be marked as People's Exhibit One?

TR

Roguish Lawyer 01-25-2007 20:32

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Originally Posted by The Reaper
So, I take it that you could not see it in the center of the first photo, which we would request be marked as People's Exhibit One?

TR

{cough, cough} Well, actually, not being a recon man like yourself, no I didn't see it. And to be honest, I can't tell from that picture whether it is a USP or P2000. The one feature I remember the P2000 having is on the back of the grip, which I can't see so well on that photo.

What am I missing? :munchin

Eagle5US 01-26-2007 06:56

Nice to see the thread back to life...a couple of returns to your well made points-

-SERPA button thing sucks...I agree. Saw the video-recommended to everyone here for the past 4 months to find another MOLLE mount, small profile holster. Doing so showed me how few of them that there are out there. The SERPA is a much better option than the nylon flappy thing that I had it in. I had originally tried to replace it with the friction retention kydex-but I had a buddy do a "struggle excercise" with me and it was too easily removed. I optioned getting a MOLLE mount for my 6004-but didn't want to takedown my drop leg rig. I may purchase a second 6004 with that platform later-haven't decided yet.

-The SOP thing: I quit argueing my points, and quit trying to figure out why (for some reason) they weren't valid. I set my (mixed) gear up on the ACU platform and everyone seemed happy. Control issue? Makeing sure I knew who was boss? Pointing out that the attached SF guy from another post / unit / background, etc... isn't "special"-and that's what they needed?
Roger Sir-Airborne. Please excuse me while I move out and draw fire.

-ACU Carriers: This unit accepts only 1-the issued one with all bells and whistles. The only reason I wasn't wearing the water wings (deltoid protectors) is because the door in the 1114 absolutely wouldn't close. I still heard about it.

-Bells and Whistles / Gear to Patrol: AWSOME PHOTO!!!Comparitively to others here-I am LIGHT on the gadgets / bells / and whistles. Some of these folks have their IBA loaded with stuff, then another rig overtop. I am considered a "minimalist" here if you can believe it. No doubt you moved much more quickly and quietly, probably fought longer, and could hide much more easily. The only real benefit of dressing like an armadillo is the fact we can take a few rounds and still be breathing out of our mouths instead of the holes in our chest.
Agruably it is a HUGE tradeoff-speed and mobility for protection. We try and counter those points with violence and firepower during engagements. Though I won't go into specific numbers-I will say that I have treated very very very few US soldiers for GSW's-and those coming in from IED's generally have their torso intact. Conversely, treating the IA (many of whom refuse to wear their boday armor) has been the opposite dynamic coming across my table.

-Elbow and Knee pads: I was wishy on these initially-previous "everyplace" has been in a dirt / jungle / "softer ground" environment. These pads are an absolute necessity with all the primary patrol sectors being concrete / rock / gravel / asphalt etc. My knees are old-these pads helped a LOT. The bottom strap is not elastic so they didn't seem to bunch up behind my knees every time I sat down in the vehicle-nor did they move around. The elbow pads were MOST useful when getting banged around in the vehicle. Best 20 bucks I have spent in awhile.

-Personal Weapons in Theater: Big no-no. However, there was one CSM who I saw out and about who had removed ALL f the blueing from his M9. Looked weird to be certian.

Soooooo... yes the SERPA sucks-but it's better than what I had.

Eagle

stakk4 01-26-2007 09:34

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However, there was one CSM who I saw out and about who had removed ALL f the blueing from his M9. Looked weird to be certian.
I just took over as unit armorer and a Soldier did this to his M-16's lower. Its all silver except for the grip and stock. Turns out this deadlines the weapon. I think someone said he used oven cleaner on it. :rolleyes:

Cincinnatus 01-26-2007 09:53

Straying outside of my lane here, I know, but I've been hearing good things about Safarilands new system. I don't have a Safariland decoder ring, and you really need one with all their variations and model numbers :rolleyes: , but they're discussed at some length here;

http://www.totalprotectioninteractiv...ead.php?t=2438

You need to be a member, I think, to access the thread, but it's a good board - worth joining. (Sneaky and Razor are members, but we don't let them post much :p )

If I understand the nomenclature correctly, the 6377 is the duty holster with a hood and a thumb release on a belt slide which rides a little lower to clear body armor and a little closer to the body than some of their other holsters.

Gomez, known to some here, has been T&Eing one and has had good things to say.

HTH

The Reaper 01-26-2007 09:53

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Originally Posted by stakk4
I just took over as unit armorer and a Soldier did this to his M-16's lower. Its all silver except for the grip and stock. Turns out this deadlines the weapon. I think someone said he used oven cleaner on it. :rolleyes:

Not only will oven cleaner remove the parkerizing, it will damage the aluminum that the receiver is made from.

He should probably be surveyed for it.

TR

CATAtonic426 01-26-2007 10:52

I figured as much, Sir. M9s suck.

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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
Soooooo... yes the SERPA sucks-but it's better than what I had.

Just wondering if you have checked out blade-tech, they have a molle holster in ACU. I have the tactical tailor molle holster... both use a snap over the back of the slide.

eggroll 01-26-2007 11:21

Eagle

if you need any of the EggieGear replaced due to color, just say the word. :lifter

Smokin Joe 01-26-2007 16:14

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Originally Posted by eggroll
Eagle

if you need any of the EggieGear replaced due to color, just say the word. :lifter

That is F*cking rare and very cool Eggroll. You are a good man!

Smokin Joe 01-26-2007 16:26

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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
-SERPA button thing sucks...I agree. Saw the video-recommended to everyone here for the past 4 months to find another MOLLE mount, small profile holster. Doing so showed me how few of them that there are out there. The SERPA is a much better option than the nylon flappy thing that I had it in. I had originally tried to replace it with the friction retention kydex-but I had a buddy do a "struggle excercise" with me and it was too easily removed. I optioned getting a MOLLE mount for my 6004-but didn't want to takedown my drop leg rig. I may purchase a second 6004 with that platform later-haven't decided yet.

Sir,

I would check out this holster from Tactical Tailors, as well as this 6004 conversion from Diamondback Tactical. I have no experience with this specific holster but I know Blade Tech makes good stuff so you might want to check this out.

Good luck finding a replacement. Also if you need a copy of that video to show your COC let me know (because I filmed the incident).


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