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The Reaper 07-11-2005 11:06

Terminal velocity is reached from less than 1,000 feet, so I do not think that the extra 26,000 make a difference unless they freeze in freefall, or are dispersed over too large an area.

SF and USAF personnel conducted airdrops of rations to Kurds in Northern Iraq after the first Gulf War. They did not use parachutes either and designed a way to cut large boxes of the rations apart so that they disintegrated in freefall, scattering the rats over a large area. Why do you think they chose this method?

TR

Roguish Lawyer 07-11-2005 11:11

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Originally Posted by The Reaper
SF and USAF personnel conducted airdrops of rations to Kurds in Northern Iraq after the first Gulf War. They did not use parachutes either and designed a way to cut large boxes of the rations apart so that they disintegrated in freefall, scattering the rats over a large area. Why do you think they chose this method?

Ensure relief is dispersed to population rather than controlled by those with guns?

Team Sergeant 07-11-2005 11:19

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
So TS, you are a big fan of the CIA, eh? :D

I'll leave you with this,

Doesn't it seem odd that members of the CIA can write books, talk trash about the military and no one holds them accountable for releasing information the military would deem classified?

Does it not seem strange that the military members involved in these CIA stories has not refuted any of Gary Schroen’s claims.

You’re a smart man RL, why do you think that is?????

Team Sergeant

Roguish Lawyer 07-11-2005 11:23

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Doesn't it seem odd that members of the CIA can write books, talk trash about the military and no one holds them accountable for releasing information the military would deem classified?

Yes, although there have been similar books written by former members of the military such as Eric Haney. I've had the same reaction to those books.


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Does it not seem strange that the military members involved in these CIA stories has not refuted any of Gary Schroen’s claims.

You’re a smart man RL, why do you think that is?????

Not really. Quiet Professionals do not seem to feel the same need to talk, and they're busy.

But you tell me. :munchin

The Reaper 07-11-2005 11:27

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Ensure relief is dispersed to population rather than controlled by those with guns?

We tried it from trucks and helicopters, and were mobbed.

The strong ones push their way to the front and take all of the food for themselves and their cliques.

You scatter 1000 meals over a couple of square miles, no one gets hurt and they will be found by hungry people, not the lazy ones.

TR

Roguish Lawyer 07-11-2005 11:30

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Originally Posted by The Reaper
We tried it from trucks and helicopters, and were mobbed.

The strong ones push their way to the front and take all of the food for themselves and their cliques.

You scatter 1000 meals over a couple of square miles, no one gets hurt and they will be found by hungry people, not the lazy ones.

TR

:lifter

tk27 07-11-2005 15:03

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Enlightenment from TS and TR re: humanitarian drops
Thanks, that makes sense now.


Should SOF have been the first to go into A-Stan? Do you think the CIA should be in the parmamilitary field?
I have no dog in this fight, I am just interested in everyone's opinion.

The Reaper 07-11-2005 15:11

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Originally Posted by tk27
Thanks, that makes sense now.


Should SOF have been the first to go into A-Stan? Do you think the CIA should be in the parmamilitary field?
I have no dog in this fight, I am just interested in everyone's opinion.

I think that whoever the CoC told to go in first was the right one.

I have no opinion on the CIA that I would discuss on an internet web site.

TR

NousDefionsDoc 07-11-2005 16:38

I read the book, it was all right. I would have done thing differently.

pulque 07-12-2005 02:06

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
In the Afterword, he says that we need more SF guys in Afghanistan and that we should not have diverted them to Iraq (implying we should not have gone into Iraq in the first place). He also says we are not giving enough monetary aid to Afghan regime, which needs to build a sufficiently large central army to control the regional militias which dominate the country.

What Mr. Schroen says in the Afterword is that more monetary aid should be given towards provincial reconstruction teams, "...to provide small-scale assistance, new school buildings, new wells, irrigation projects, and road repair directly to villages in the local areas. "

The next paragraph then goes on to say that "the power of the regional leaders remains a potentially serious threat to the stability to the central government"

Notice how Ismail Khan and General Abdul Rashid Dostum have been offered positions in Karzai's government. Some of the tribal leaders are approaching Karzai for provincial type help. I dont think Mr. Schroen is implying that the Afghan National Army should be able to break or control the militias militarily.


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