It does depend on the definition or category of turmoil.

I strongly suspect the Russians are going to be hurting badly too.

Their government budget cashflow has been vapourized(circa 50-75%) with the collapse of OPEC price control.

They have, at best, 2 years foreign national reserves to cover loss of government budget.

Too soon to tell on Chinese economic re-start.

But China and Russia foreign policy will be 100% incongruent when it comes to energy policy.

Warning: infantry talking Econ.

The 30k plus number you heard, is a number being reported by CNN, the John Hopkins Tracking Corona Virus Map and sites like Worldmeters.info. The John Hopkins Map is said to be in "Real Time". Reminds me of the polling data and interactive maps from the 2016 election.


Sources for the John Hopkins Map:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map-faq.html

Another website livescience.com as 3/22/2020 was reporting ABOUT 26,747 confirmed cases in the US.

The University of Minnesota has list of interactive maps:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/maps-visuals

Running through the list there are 3 groups and these groups are reporting numbers of cases in the US as 30k Plus, 20k plus or 15k plus.

CNN reported the "Grim Milestone" of over 32,000 confirmed cases yesterday, but gave no source for the number. CNN also report the number of conformed cases in NY was over 15k.

To put things into perspective, the "Grim Milsteone" of 32k plus of confirmed in the US is not even close to 1% of the population. The 15k plus of confirmed cases in New York is far below 1% of the state population, in fact all the numbers being reported in each individual state are all far below 1% of the State's population. In the Great State of Kansas, the KDHE reports 975 deaths due to Influenza and Pneumonia, and 2 deaths from the Corona virus. Gov. Kelly (D) is officially shutting down at least 2 counties, Johnson and Wyandotte for 30days beginning tomorrow, in a State with 65 confirmed cases (I thought there were no tests?) and 2 deaths.

Not so fast. I am given daily update on China's soft power projection in the wake of devastation in the EU and everywhere else. China sent respirators, ventilators, masks, testing kits, and even doctors to Italy and various hard-hit areas. So far, at least in my own research, not word on similar move by US.

Between this and the twitter spread of US troops starting COVID in wuhan :rolleyes:, China is doing its best to turn the narrative around.
Time will tell if they are successful, but we may be helping them unintentionally.

True, China sent stuff to Italy, but China has to protect its sizable investment in Italy (see JJ’s post regarding this in other threads). China was into Italy - big time.

In all fairness, we are months behind China in this - thanks to China.

China is, as usual, using its propaganda arm to deflect from its own culpability.

Fixed that for you. ;)

Beginning with Clinton in the 90s the globalization of China unabated by US foreign policy in SEA the Pacific and elsewhere into parts west until buying up large amounts of EU debt China has been a destabilizing force around the world for the past three decades - at least.

ETA: re paragraph one: my wife just got finished reading a Thai news source where a Thai-Chinese doctor working with a team sent to Milan by China to help out reports that Italy’s continued outbreak and high infection and death toll resulted from them not changing their cultural norms even after the country was reporting very high rates of infection. Specifically - they continued going out to pubs, restaurants and social meetings and continued greeting each other with hugs, kisses and handshakes.

Thanks ODNT.

The following might provide some additional insight into the depth of China’s influence in Europe.

The EU was becoming uncomfortable with China prior to the China Virus.

After the pandemic - sparked by China...well...I’ll be as polite as I can...Fuck China.

On China’s Expanding Influence in Europe and Eurasia

PHILIPPE LE CORREMAY 09, 2019TESTIMONY: TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE
Source:

https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/0...asia-pub-79094

On China protecting its investment in Italy.

The China Virus should divide the EU generally and Italy specifically from China.

If I set your house aflame...its crumbling, burning down...thousands are dying... but eventually I send a couple of firemen...should you trust me ‘cause I sent a couple firemen ? You better believe I want America to beat China over the head with this.

“Many analysts say Beijing is also seeking to divide the EU, which is concerned with a rising China. These divisions were apparent even within the Italian government. The powerful interior minister, Matteo Salvini, questioned the deal, and his party successfully pushed for a watered-down version that limits Chinese involvement in telecommunications and other sensitive areas.”

China’s Belt and Road Gets a Win in Italy
By Andrew Chatzky
March 27, 2019

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/chinas-...gets-win-italy

I get it but of the official sites to choose from they choose the most inflated.....this is an age old trick for maximum impact and speaks to the political maneuvering supported by a complicit media

One big area of social impact may be the waning of third wave feminism.
How many of those "strong independent women who don't need no man" will suddenly recalculate?

My daughter talked to her father-in-law in Naples yesterday. He is 77yo and like most VFOGs, a bit of a butt head.

The fear is real now. People are very concerned. No food shortages or other commodities. BUT

One of the EU's "problems" is most families live in small flats and have very small kitchens that lack space for more than a day or two's perishables. So they shop daily. They also are more inclined to shop fresh everything and avoid frozen because of refrigeration constraints.

Also, They eat out frequently for the same reasons..

In the summer it gets HOT and 99.9% don't have AC..

This exacerbates the problem of human contact and viral spread.

If you haven't been there in a while. Here is a small (800 sq ft) flat in Naples for 500,000 EU. It is a problem at all levels of the social spectrum.

https://www.gate-away.com/property_detail.php?id=360210

JJ

I hope they are well and avoid this. Prayers out.

Italy as with most of Europe and that entire continent lacks genuine medical infrastructure like we have here in the USA or Japan, and other newer first world countries. Outside of Rome, Milan, Naples or other large metropolitan centers they are likely to not have more than a 50 bed hospital for a 100,000 more or less population or 50 remote villages. They rely on small clinics and doctors that do house calls. They also die at home surrounded by family.

It’s apples and oranges to compare us to anyone else and no one is going to be able to do what China did in a matter of weeks to build hardened isolating facilities. (Or death chambers covered for satellite protection)

Thanks,,

Au contraire mon frère

They have the Superior FREE Social Medicine System, while us retards continue to think an open market for-profit medical system is good.

Social impacts may include a significant long term increase in homeschooling and telecommuting.
These could, in turn, greatly affect where people choose to live.

Where people choose to live will affect tax bases for state and local jurisdictions.

That sounds a lot like NYC, Boston, LA, San Fran, and a host of other large, dense, urban areas in the US.

Which makes transmission spread happen rather quickly (á la cruise ship with with 4,200 pax and crew practicing bad social behavior during quarantine/isolation.)

I’ll still standby my argument that a vast majority of known/reported cases will recover without medical intervention and triage needs to remain a critical factor in who goes to the hospital and who goes home to their bedroom.