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Originally Posted by Golf1echo (Post 565013)

This gives me a chance to ask about a sentence Polaris used to describe the DARGOR, now I like Polaris and I can see the different mission sets they are working on. " Soldiers in the UCLV will be protected from kinetic threats by their Personal Protective Equipment and will rely on speed and maneuverability to avoid threats". ]

It means "This is the HMMWV before everybody dicked with it."

I was on the original HMMWV design team. ;)

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 565226)

I don't know if anyone knows the answer to this, but it is something that I have been wondering about---namely, in an Abrams tank, does the space the loader has to load the ammunition into rotate as the turret rotates the main gun? How does that work?

Google is amazing.

TR

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 565230)

It is, but I had tried Googling around and didn't find anything. There is information on where the crew members sit and so forth and other technical information, but I do not see anything on how the ammunition is lined with the gun when loaded. My Google-fu on this may be poor though due to also not knowing how to word the subject.

The turret basket on US tanks has rotated with the turret for a very long time.

TR

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 565230)

There is a show on Discovery or the Military Channel that will answer this question for you....it might be named Firepower, and they take you through the Abrams on a Marine base in California.

But even as far back as the USS Monitor the gun turret rotated as a complete assembly...at least on Navel vessels....as I recall Tanks first appeared in WWI but most if not all had fixed or side mounted swivel guns, and it was not until WWII that rotating turrets became common place.

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Originally Posted by DocIllinois (Post 565254)

This photo may provide a starting point.

NOT an M-1 Abrams.

TR

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 565228)

Google is amazing.

TR

Words of wisdom..
:munchin

I don't believe the M-1 Abrams has an autoloader, or a rotary magazine.

TR

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 565263)

I don't believe the M-1 Abrams has an autoloader, or a rotary magazine.

TR

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a232878.pdf

The XM91 auto loader has been around sense the early 90t's??

Maybe it never got funded??

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 564927)

Polaris DAGOR ultra-light truck ready for combat

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/...d=cmty_plus_fn

"U.S. Special Forces will soon be riding into battle in a race-bred truck.

The Polaris DAGOR is a compact military machine that uses a trophy truck-style suspension for extreme off-road capability and was developed in partnership with Roush Industries of NASCAR fame.

The purpose-built military machine is about the size of a four-door Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, but can fit up to nine warfighters onboard: four in the cabin, four in the bed, and a roof gunner positioned in a sling seat suspended from the roll cage...."

Hmmmm

I am amazed that there seems to have been absolutely no thought to "mine proofing" the vehicle. Surely the stats have shown that a very high proportion of modern day casualties are the results of mines and IEDs?How fast does a vehicle have to be to be able to outrun an IED? How nimble, to escape a buried mine?

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Originally Posted by Guymullins (Post 565271)

I am amazed that there seems to have been absolutely no thought to "mine proofing" the vehicle.....

Big Green has many cogs in it's machine. This cog has come full circle and is starting another go round.

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Originally Posted by Guymullins (Post 565271)

For conventional troops operating in a "mature" IED threat environment, you're correct. This vehicle is primarily for SOF operating in an "immature" threat environment. This vehicle also has provisions to increase crew protection incrementally as a conflict "matures" and threat levels increase. A lot of thought has gone into this. There are no perfect solutions. BLUF - you can't protect against everything and still have a vehicle that meets operational needs. The calculus is unforgiving. Standard bell-curve math. Considering what it takes to get it to the fight, what it can carry once it gets there, where it has to go to accomplish mission, and what the most likely threat will be this meets the 85-90% requirement. Left end will be Toyota pick-ups (or similar), right end will be MATVs (or similar). Other gaps will be filled with ingenuity/improvisation from whatever is at hand.