I disagree and feel it will add a new argument to the arsenal: My guess is they will use this as an example of why no firearms should be available to the public. :mad:

Based on the last two rampages, we need to ban bald black male Navy Reservists from owning firearms.


This will not help with the concerns about the VA reporting veteran issues to the NICS....... LINK

Took Biden's advice
 

Apparently no AR, per CNN update by an FBI spokesperson.

Link citing the FBI's position:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/1...-or-something/

CNN's own what we know/don't know:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/nav...html?hpt=hp_t1

What I know:
Piers Morgan should put on his speedo and begin swimming eastward; I'll take care of the chum.
What I don't know (or care about): When CNN is gonna drop this ridiculous pompous ass from their line-up. Then again, he's one of Feinstein's "only ones."
:rolleyes:

The blood dancing is in full swing.

An insane lib terrorist uses a shotgun and the libs want AR's and handguns confiscated.

Thanks to another lib, BJ Clinton, nobody but the terrorist was armed.

:rolleyes:

Didn't Joe Biden recommend the use of shotguns in the first place?

Apparently an AR wasn't even used.

So far it appears that this shooter just used a Remington 870 with 00 buck and a Glock handgun that he got off a guard he shot.

Yep. :munchin

Right, but look how DiFi and the other dimwits are spinning this event. It's still incredible to me that right-minded pols let them get away with it-especially the media.

Yahoo had a story where the slack-jawed reporter revealed that the terorrist had actually visited a gun range recently. !!!

These imbeciles know that the urban/suburban areas where the tightest gun laws are enforced (read DC, NY, Mil Bases, Connecticut, etc) are where the shooters are able to get in a bunch of hits BECAUSE THERE's NO ARMED CIVILIAN RESPONSE.

Look for another Executive Order.

Let's disarm responsible Citizens and arm terrorists, both domestic and abroad-yeah-that's the solution. :rolleyes:

Well, he did...
 

Well, he did visit a gun shop and even fired an AR 15. Didn't buy it but purchased IIRC an 870 and 15 rds.

A NY paper spun those facts into a fairy tail of how the death count would have been much higher if he had purchased the rifle he wanted but only the gun laws preventing same day pick up of semi auto weapons prevented him.

Of course the facts were he didn't want to buy the AR and there was no law that would have prevented him from buying it that day if he did.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good MSM rant.

Angry with white people...
 

I'm sure this will be on 60 Minutes, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR and all over the NYT front page:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...iend-says?lite

Snip

"He felt like he had been cheated out of money from the contract and complained that he was mistreated because he was black, Kristi Suthamtewkal said.

"He felt a lot of discrimination and and racism with white people especially," she said."

Snip

I felt like that last week but I didn't go whack anyone.

The terrorist was reportedly on an SSRI drug regimen.

Won't hear much about that on NPR, ABC, CBS, CNN or NYT, though that's a valid link to other mass shootings.

Ganderson Hits it Out of the Park
 

Pretty thoughtful commentary, IMO by LZ Ganderson of CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t2

(CNN) -- Another day, another mass shooting in America.

More blood, more tears, more knee-jerk rhetoric about finding a solution for a bunch of different problems.

Those who knew Aaron Alexis -- the shooter who killed 12 and injured eight more at the Washington Navy Yard this week -- said he was a quiet, shy man.


At one point he was studying Buddhism and meditated often.

A little more digging, and we find he had several gun-related arrests and a pattern of misconduct in the Navy, but he was honorably discharged.

Pieces of a puzzle we may never fully put together.

But the fact that there is still so much we don't know about Alexis -- or the motive behind the shootings -- won't detour gun-control advocates from lumping his story in with that of Adam Lanza, the man police say is responsible for the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, along with the victims from gang- and drug-related shootings.

This is why after the tears have dried and the blood washes away, little, if anything, will change.

And because gun-control advocates so often try to cobble together every distinct narrative involving guns into a one-size-fits-all conversation, they are as much to blame for this merry-go-round as the gun lobbyists against whom they fight.

Gun shops are illegal in Chicago.

The city has bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. And yet each week people continue to die in the streets from gunshot wounds.

This conundrum is just one example why making note that more Americans have died from gun violence here at home since Newtown than in the nine years fighting a war in Iraq is the kind of factoid that grabs our attention but undermines the true goal: curtailing the violence.

Not all deaths involving guns are the same -- therefore trying to address each incident from the same point of view is futile. Until we learn more about Alexis -- the events leading up to the shootings and the motive -- the tragedy in Washington should not be used as catalyst for a conversation about gun control.

Instead, we should mourn and wait for more information.

Far too often assumptions surrounding the details of tragedies such as the one in Washington are made, and well-intentioned stances fall apart when additional facts come to light.

The guns James Holmes was charged with using in Aurora were purchased legally. Beyond the presence of a gun, the crimes committed in the movie theater are not at all similar to what happens in the streets of our large cities. And each time a politician or gun-control advocate tries to use these two very different examples interchangeably, the entire conversation and argument are compromised.

This happened after Newtown.

It happened after Aurora.

And it will keep continue to happen until the advocates accept that ridding the country of guns is a hopeless -- and unconstitutional mission -- and that the real goal should be addressing the factors that lead to the various forms of gun violence: factors such as poverty, mental health and failing schools.

Last month the nation breathed a sigh of relief after Antoinette Tuff, a bookkeeper in an elementary school in suburban Atlanta, prevented a man with an AK-47-type weapon and nearly 500 rounds of ammunition from hurting anyone.

It was not the time to talk generally about gun violence in this country. It was the time to discuss specifics such as cuts to mental health and its impact on services, given that the suspect, 20-year-old Michael Brandon Hill, has a long history of mental disorders. Hill's storyline is similar to that of Lanza, and there are questions whether Holmes, the admitted shooter in the Aurora movie theater, is insane.

The folks spraying our cities with bullets are not NRA members or even legal gun owners.

Public debates with Wayne LaPierre and attacks on the National Rifle Association have proven to be an ineffective way to prevent gun violence. In the wake of the Washington Navy Yard killings, perhaps a new strategy, one that doesn't involve playing on the nation's emotions or challenging the relevance of the Second Amendment, should be employed. That's not saying the NRA has won -- in fact, I think LaPierre should step down because each time he opens his mouth, he steps in it -- but at the end of the day the organization is more of an agitator than the enemy.

There is no one enemy.

Thus there is no one solution.

Because like it or not, the folks spraying our cities with bullets are not NRA members or legal gun owners. And despite the tendency to tie it all together, they have nothing to do with the Adam Lanzas of the world.

And it's too early to know how Alexis fits in the conversation.

According to a count by USA Today, more than 900 people have been killed in mass shootings since 2006. The thousands of other victims of gun violence over the past seven years died from many different circumstances, requiring different conversations.

This is why gun-control advocates need to abandon the routine of using mass shootings to turn law-abiding citizens into social pariahs and instead focus on something that could work.

I mostly agree with the author but I'm pretty sure they and Wayne LaPierre agree about poverty, mental health, and failing schools being more of contribution to the violence than the guns alone.

I hope this story is false
 

I hope this story is false

Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252

"One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.

A tactical response team of the Capitol Police, a force that guards the US Capitol complex, was told to leave the scene by a supervisor instead of aiding municipal officers.

The Capitol Police department said senior officials were investigating............."


"....But multiple sources in the Capitol Police department have told the BBC that its highly trained and heavily armed four-man Containment and Emergency Response Team (Cert) was near the Navy Yard when the initial report of an active shooter came in about 8:20 local time.

The officers, wearing full tactical gear and armed with HK-416 assault weapons, arrived outside Building 197 a few minutes later, an official with knowledge of the incident told the BBC.........."