My home is 20 feet from the major river that runs through my state all the way to the Ohio.
Kayaks will be the go to choice with plenty of dry storage and lashing points as well as tackle and rods. Movement is under cover of darkness with plenty of creeks and islands to cover day light shelter.
We routinely camp by hammock with plenty of camoflage rain flys.
Portages are known and will take place 2am-4am.

I will pull the AR and the .22, my wife will pull the M1A and the single shot 12 gauge with barrel inserts.

Large ALICE is packed with each of our clothing changes as well as stripped MRE's
3 day pack carries navigation, communication, illumination, weapon maintenance, minor medical as well as sealed battle packs for noted firearms.

Plenty of fish and game along the way.

Good plan, GD.

I am thinking that 15-20 pounds of arms and ammo is going to be about the limit, given the distance and load of other priority items.

I also believe that some people have no concept of reality, and that there are a huge number of liars on the internet.

This was posted on another forum, amd I found it humorous.

IMHO, this individual is not a SOF medic, and has never actually assembled the items he lists in such detail, and has certainly never tried to carry this all at once.

In fact, he likely has a handicapped placard and refuses to go in any store where he has to walk more than 50 feet to the entrance. He couldn't hump this load across the Wally World parking lot, even with the assistance of his motorized scooter. He will need a bugout deuce and a half.

Should be easy to track though, from the drag marks, discarded items, and empty candy wrappers.


Really?

TR

You are correct Sir, in that it does (and it is) sound like a lot. I tend to do that, "over prepare". That's why I love these threads. Let's me rethink and reevaluate my "plan(s)"

One thing I did neglect to mention is, along the routes that I've more or less looked at, there will be plenty of four legged transportation that I'd be passing. Aside from deteriorating political polices, Colorado is also know for it's huge horse populations. I know hangings are too good for horse thieves, but ..... This is one of "The Reaper's" famous survival threads. One that gets one thinking, so it's pretty much, all bets are off. It's survival of the fittest time baby. :D

This is the bag I was referring to ....

http://www.lapolicegear.com/511-bail...FYtDMgodFBMAYw

Yeah I called it a fanny pack, but I used to wear mine over the shoulder so it would hang on my hip, and when I did wear it as a "fanny pack", I could always pull it around to the front. I used to use it as a quick medical grab bag, when I worked stand-by.

Yes of course the (my) load would change with the weather. I went with thinking what I would grab at "This particular time". Currently here, it's partly cloudy, temps in the mid 80's, lows in the 50's, and continued to be like this for the next 5 days. Now turning to sports ..... Aw crap, sorry.
Didn't even think what it would be like in December, or March, or October, ect.
Thank you for pointing that out.

Me too !!!!! :D

Nothing wrong with thinking a plan through with like-minded individuals.

That is a Bail Out Bag, not a fanny pack as generally understood.

Do you plan on carrying a pack saddle too, or are you going to just ask the rancher for one before you take his horse? Horses require rigging to carry loads.

In an environment like yours, I could see having the core three-season BoB, and adding an additional module for winter.

Good plan.



Good load plan for your wife.

I would have to consider the openness of the route, opportunities for long-range engagements, and the size of the game before committing to a .308.

The AR with accessories is nine pounds or so, loaded 30 round 5.56 mags roughly a pound each, so seven pounds of ammo. The .22 would be a couple of pounds, and the .22LR ammo about 2 pounds for 200 rounds. She gets 20 pounds of guns and ammo.

For a standard weight stripped M1A, you would have a roughly ten pound rifle, and ammo is 1.5 pounds per 20 round mag. Four more pounds for the pistol and ammo. Your total for your weapons is 29 pounds, plus optics, lights, night vision, cleaning gear, etc. With the 45 pound BoB, your wife is carrying at least 65 pounds, and you 74 pounds. Most females cannot sustain that weight, so you are probably going to have to redistribute the load and carry part of hers.

I take it you live in a dry climate. One gallon per day, and a filled CamelBak bladder is around 100 oz., or just about seven pounds. You cannot carry sufficient water to make the full 100 mile move on foot. Best to take some storage and purification capability, and plan a route that will bring you near water sources when you need them.

If you are a healthy weight, you drop below the calories you are burning, and pretty soon, your body will start to break down.

I agree with your assessment of the importance of boots. And a well-broken in ruck.

Incidentally, if you are being pursued, you should be running a cold camp with no fire and little shelter. The MRE heaters, and a bivvy bag for your sleeping gear or a ground cloth over you might be as good as it gets, and limit your thermal signature. Bring extra clothes to stay warm while sleeping. The move at night plan is a good one, if you are familiar with the terrain and can night land navigate under tactical conditions. Hole up in thick brush or inaccessible terrain and rest during the day. That will cut back on your cold weather concerns as well.

TR

TR, I like the idea of having a short version of a broke-down AR platform. That has a lot of practical survival sense inherently built in.

As to what I'd like to / what I actually keep in my bail out bag:

*) Over the shoulder murse bag (I have one in a dark red color from HSGI)

Nav Stuff:

JOG map (s) of my imiediate area (good for long-range nav)
GPS with map data of the entire section of the country (with 2 sets of spare lithium batteries)
Standard Silva compas

Food / Watter:

1L Nalgene (blue with a spash guard)
Sterie Pen with filter
3-5 Snickers bars (believe it or not, Snickers really does satisfy a LOT of nutritional requirements)
3-5 Packets of Skittles (I just like em...)
Airforce Survival kit gill net (great for fish and birds as well as cammo)
Roll of army issue trip-flare wire

Shelter / Clothing:

Brown Arctertx' hard shell (none issue on purpose)
OD green poncho with 50' of para cord
Space Blanket
Black neck-gator

Fire:

2x Bic Lighters

Knives:

Leatherman Wave
AF Survival knife

Signal:

Plastic signal mirror
Orange aviation pannel marker
....Fire.....
Head-lamp (with 3x sets of batteries and red-lens)

1st Aid:

2x Israeli bandages
Chest seal kit
ET tube
Bottle of Asperine

GP:

$500 Cash in 20s and 10s
Roll of Quarters
5th Group Coin (one from a deployment in the shape of the flash)

What I leave out on purpose:

Cell Phone
Ipad
Credit Cards
ID Cards
Passports
Etc

The one exception is if in a forgin country then the above is ALWAYS on my person

The overall plan is to blend in with the environment to avoid confrontation with either the people looking for you or the people who will remember you. Camoflage is not wearing a mutlicam ghilliesuit carrying a sniper rifle. It is blending in with your surroundings.

I only ask because, if known, it alters the plan significantly. If I know that I am evading to a known friend or relative with a secure place, I know that I can pack just for the trip saving weight and improving travel time.
If I am just trying to escape with no idea how long I will have to be on my own, that is a different kit and plan.

I get that some people plan a Bug Out Bag based on the idea they need to survive an indeterminate time in the wild. Others have more than on bag (3 day, 14 day, month, indefinate, for example).

The amount of ammo I carry is dependent on the known or unknown destination as well. Unkown, I will try to carry more.

Also, I don't get dressed without a pocket knife and often have a 5" fixed on my belt (completely legal here and no one notices). These things are pretty much daily wear and a default part of the 'kit'.

Season and weather is a significant factor as well.

I'll stick with needs. I may want Jennifer Aniston but I don't think I can convince her to come with me in less than 5 minutes.

I believe those are also called Medics/18 Deltas.

At least that's what I've heard. :munchin

Bubba, you had me right up till there. :D


Doc - No lie, I bet that gear list weighs close to 100 pounds, if not more.

Concur about blending in, even int he woods. Very important.

You might want to signal when you are arriving at your destination, in case they were locked down. Good list and comments, thanks.


Streck - Glad to see that you know the difference between needs and wants. Good feedback, thanks.

My AO is fairly populous yet mountainous. Mountains are covered in dense deciduous forest. Streams and springs are plentiful, as are squirrel, coons, opossum, turkey, deer, dogs, and coyotes. I plan to lead my family South into the larger mountains and a certain more secluded town.We will be traveling at night, at the appropriate elevation one should for mountain E&E. Rations consist of dehydrated meals supplemented by wild edibles and hopefully small game.

3-season BoB’s weigh in close to 35 lbs at half water capacity (2 liters). Plus extra socks and feet care items for said distance. In addition to our BoB’s, we will be carrying three 9mm pistols, one Rem700 chambered in 30-06, one AR, and a bangalore. Will list “Bag” contents if any are interested.

Excellent thread, Sir Reaper.

Great plan. I would only suggest that the pistols all use the same mags, for interchangability.

Careful with the bangalore.:D

TR

Cover(s) for status and cover for action are occasionally war-gamed during family dinners.

I suppose it depends on if the raiders are state sponsored or not. If not, we can hold until relieved.

Firearms are PACE for handguns only. Still short on full complement of defensive ammo, but have enough of ball to backfill. Working on ACE for shotgun and carbines.



I'm in a major urban area. We (spouse and I) have two backpacks (35 & 25lbs.) ready to go. This includes a homeless disguise that will work from dusk to dawn during egress and in appropriate locations during daylight. Dog tracking is a viable concern and contingency has been planned. Multiple routes have been walked and barking dogs noted.

We have access to a friend's (safe) house with stored supplies six blocks away. Those supplies include two mountain bikes with saddlebags prepacked w 40lbs. food/water/gear. Safe house also has a SUV (w bike rack) that I will 'borrow' as necessary.

From there decision to stay vs. move via foot/bike/vehicle will occur.

Within 2 miles of major Interstates running N/S/E/W. Safe house options within/outside metro area w friends/family/unknown are available in multiple locations. Extensive bike trail system exists as well terminating within the city or various wilderness open spaces/parks. May use homeless disguise to reach Interstate and hitchhike out of area.



You do not own anything that you cannot carry at a dead run for as long as you need to!

My bag is a molle backpack, it's broke in well and fits the shoulders great.

Water:
Low Pro Source 100oz bladder
1 SteriPen Water purifying UV Light +1 set of extra batteries

Tools/Equip:

Primary Weapon-
Carbine AR, aimpoint on larue quick mount and irons.
3 total 30 round magazines, 2 packed in exterior pocket.
*Small amount of lube stored in grip
Magpul Sling Single/Dual Point

Secondary Weapons-
Ruger LCP 380, concealed. 2 magazines
Walther P22 5 magazines

1 Small Folder Knife (Benchmade MelPardue that I always have in my pocket)

1 Multitool -SOG, for misc repairs or an extra blade or two, saw, etc..

1 Med sized fixed blade (SOG Seal Pup) when a small knife isn't enough knife.

1 Gerber Sport Axe, Small enough to carry, light- saw blade knife in the handle, overall used as a cutting/clearing a sleeping area in a thicket and chopping up fuel, last resort self defense.

2 Lighters 1 bic in pocket, 1 micro torch/zippo type
Small bag of Vaseline cotton balls

2' of 100mph tape on a small makeshift spool on my pack shoulder strap- who frikin' knows when you need it.

2 Space Blankets

Food & Clothing:
10-12 power bars
3-4 cans of potted meat (small, salty, and down right good for you, lol)
Jeans, hiking shoes, good duty type belt, light waterproof jacket, camo hat, clear nemesis glasses.
+ a set of UnderArmor if it's fall/winter.

Strategy:
I think making haste and traveling by evening/night is going to yield success in any situation like this. The name of my game is I've got a relatively small area to vacate which would be 2/3 days of very methodical travel using dense cover, barns, sheds, old cars. Then have to trek several miles at once seeking more cover.

Primary/Secondary weapons only utilized as a last resort to either assault or suppress while making an exit. Being seen and detected is avoided at nearly all costs.

If captured or in a close hand to hand fight the hidden lcp 380 could be a life saver.

Walther P22 can be used for small game and birds as the sun is beginning to rise/fall. Most of my terrain to cover that will put me at the most risk will be low and dense creek bottoms so sound would be to my advantage if I need to take a meal w/ the 22. Once the long travel has been made, hunting frequency will rise, seeking larger game, thieving, or being a sneaky opposing force will become more of my game plan as I get farther away from the populous or areas of danger.