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Box 01-19-2013 09:22

No matter what the story, I wont believe it.
There is a leadership credibility problem and a media "truth in reporting" credibility problem.

If I saw video of Santa Claus himself flying in on Rudolf and knocking off terrorists with a candy-cane gun; it wouldn't matter. I would just assume that the current administration had already sold the movie rights to hollywood and decided to release a 'dramatization' instead of live footage.

Hell, they sold their souls on the binladen raid and no sooner did 0-dark-30 come out, some dolt had to release a "warning" that the video might incite violence.

Pimps and whores... and I have no interest, no respect.

The only reason to even read the news on the internet anymore is because jerking off to porn takes too much energy.

In short:

"meh"

Utah Bob 01-21-2013 00:24

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Originally Posted by Max_Tab (Post 483719)
Well according to the manual's you always start every HR with the most casualty producing weapon......oh wait that might be an ambush...never mind. :D

Ambush, rescue, armaggedon...all the same in the Algierian SF ops manual. :rolleyes:

Tuukka 01-21-2013 06:26

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 484062)
Ambush, rescue, armaggedon...all the same in the Algierian SF ops manual. :rolleyes:

If I am not mistaken the more senior guys there got training from the Russians / Soviets?

So...a helo gun or 14.5 mm KPV from a BTR...makes sense :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQ7c91b758

mark46th 01-21-2013 09:56

"The only reason to even read the news on the internet anymore is because jerking off to porn takes too much energy." Billy L-bach

Quote of they week! :D:D

Stiletto11 01-21-2013 15:12

Roger.

Utah Bob 01-23-2013 16:03

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Originally Posted by Tuukka (Post 484075)
If I am not mistaken the more senior guys there got training from the Russians / Soviets?

So...a helo gun or 14.5 mm KPV from a BTR...makes sense :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQ7c91b758

And they did that theater rescue in Moscow so well.:rolleyes:

Stiletto11 01-23-2013 18:50

I heard today that the US didn't want to press the issue with US support because the Algerian government is new and it might face opposition from within and could lead to its demise. Huh?

afchic 01-23-2013 21:32

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Originally Posted by Stiletto11 (Post 484556)
I heard today that the US didn't want to press the issue with US support because the Algerian government is new and it might face opposition from within and could lead to its demise. Huh?

No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.

Survival7201 01-23-2013 22:07

"We'll do a number 4.. We'll come in whoopin and hollerin and hollerin and whoopin ,,."

Borrowed from "Blazing Saddles"..

Seems reasonable...

Utah Bob 01-24-2013 17:34

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Originally Posted by afchic (Post 484605)
No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.

True....but, we have significant experience in special ops and should have (diplomatically) pushed hard to assist them with the planning. We do have some good contactsand have trained a lot of their officers over the years. Maybe that was done and they just refused. Maybe we'll never know.

Well, actually I suppose we will know eventually. Some of us probably already do. ;)

afchic 01-24-2013 18:25

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob (Post 484830)
True....but, we have significant experience in special ops and should have (diplomatically) pushed hard to assist them with the planning. We do have some good contactsand have trained a lot of their officers over the years. Maybe that was done and they just refused. Maybe we'll never know.

Well, actually I suppose we will know eventually. Some of us probably already do. ;)

I'm with you. I wish our help was accepted more regularly, but the world being what it is, this is probably going to be the new normal in that part of the world.

I just had a briefing today from the SDO/DATT from DRC. It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.

Stiletto11 01-24-2013 19:56

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Originally Posted by afchic (Post 484605)
No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.

None taken, however, there was US citizens being held and I thought it was a pretty lame excuse. Then again, we let a US ambassador get smoked; go figure.

Dusty 01-25-2013 05:26

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Originally Posted by afchic (Post 484843)
It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.

It's too bad more people can't see this coming.

Utah Bob 01-25-2013 16:12

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Originally Posted by afchic (Post 484843)
I'm with you. I wish our help was accepted more regularly, but the world being what it is, this is probably going to be the new normal in that part of the world.

I just had a briefing today from the SDO/DATT from DRC. It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.

And today in Iraq.. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/25/world/...iraq-protests/
Sunni or later the shit will hit the fan.:rolleyes:

Pete 01-25-2013 16:27

Well, truth be told......
 
Well, truth be told the Hostage Rescue wasn't much of a Hostage Rescue as Hostage Rescues go.


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