But that was the 'Old Army'. Knew plenty of folks who had at least one DUI. Sometimes if you were lucky the MPs would let you park your car and then give you a ride back to the barracks. Times have sure changed...

The "check the box" attitude pervades far more than the military, in my field we call it "rubber stamp security" :rolleyes:

Well, hey, no sleep for 2 whole hours and a sip of Pinot Grigio would knock any real cop off his feet. :D

Hey, four years ago, the war was hot and they needed people.

Now, not so much.

This is the third or fourth RIF that I have seen coming. Happens after every war.

The cops used to ignore drunk drivers as well, unless they hit something. News flash. Times have changed and everyone knows the rules and the consequences before they take the wheel.

Big boy rules include paying the piper if you get caught.

Who should they be putting out, people without criminal records?

TR

BCT
 

I just got finished with 9 weeks here at Ft. Benning. It was not what I expected. I honestly expected worse. As in getting smoked 24/7. Not sleeping at all. It's battalion rule that we get at least four hours of sleep. WEAK! The other Privates I went through basic with, it was just an extension of high school for them. The DS are awesome though. My shark attack was mediocre at best. I did not get yelled at a once. Basic is where the shitbags need to be taken care of. And you can definitely tell which ones are that way. My only hope is that when those select individuals get to their duty station, that their team lead takes "care" of them.

First and foremost, they should be putting out those soldiers who cannot pass a PT test, or are overweight. I would say after we get those types out, then move on to the guys who have had run-ins with the law.

Alternate viewpoint, although I've heard from many who cite the PT test as an important factor, and I respect that viewpoint. I see great logic in having different PT tests to qualify for the different MOS's. I doubt that a good mess sergeant will ever need to ruck 100 pounds or toss a grenade with accuracy. And, a tough PT test for combat arms, perhaps an even tougher one for SpecOps sounds reasonable, screening out those who yell about opportunity instead of the needs of the unit.

But I also wonder if his brothers are trying to help him make the grade.

I'm one who experienced a couple of good SF Colonels, one who brought me into the 1st Group to rebuild and learn, because he knew how much I wanted that flash and a second one who told me I could work out any time during the day that I could spare me from my duties.

Heck. I had a B-team leader who taught me to dive and harrassed me appropriately under water. He was even trying to figure out how to get me out of an aircraft HALO style without getting his butt badly burned, when we were booted off the island.

And there was the S-3 who tossed down the gauntlet for 3 on 3 volleyball during lunch, to help rebuild my endurance as well as muscle. That was Dick Meadows, THE Dick Meadows. His greatness wasn't limited to his military skills.

And, those last 3 paragraphs aren't directly on topic, but close enough I think. They have gone thru my mind often when I see questions from support troops who want to be a QP. If you're busting your butt, help comes to you from all over. Every QP I met seemed to go out of their way to make those who weren't feel like a full part of the team.

Never got the body back to what it was, but the "us" approach in the group was constant, and I never saw a hint of "not one of us". Turned what could have been the most bitter years of my life into memories I'll never give up. :)

Especially to the FOGs, I just needed to say that.:)

I thought maybe you had joined the Air Force.:D

Army wide my good man. That message just got passed down to my MCCC class. One of my classmates got a drunk and disorderly a couple months ago, and said it goes into a file with the JAG folks.

:D:D:D

Big Teddy :munchin

What. They don't do the pinch-test?

How effective the current APFT is, is a whole different conversation in itself. I agree, just because you meet the minimum requirements on the APFT does not mean you can keep up in combat situations. But, I can guarantee that the soldiers who cannot pass a PT test, will not be able to keep up in combat either (or atleast the majority of them anyway). And if a guy has 10% body fat, he is in no way close to getting booted, as the Army allows males to have up to 24% body fat, and females up to 30%. Bottom line, if you cannot meet the bare minimum standards for the organization you voluntarily choose to be in, you should be first to get the boot when that organization is downsizing.