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Roguish Lawyer 10-18-2011 04:38

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Originally Posted by Wiseman (Post 419648)
It's sickening to be honest. Makes me want to purchase a shotgun for protection.

You should do that anyway, doncha think?

Pete 10-18-2011 04:40

Islam has won in the US
 
Islam has won in the US.

There are a few who may wish to dispute that but they've won.

Even on this board.

Look at the "burning" issue. You can burn just about anything you want in this country - the flag, a bible, etc, etc. You can mock just about anything you want in this country - again the flag and anything of importance to just about any Religion - except..........

ISLAM

Look at when the nut in FL wanted to burn the Koran.

"Yeah, he has the right but he really shouldn't do it."

Face it folks, when Islam is treated different than other religions they've won.

Paslode 10-18-2011 05:12

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Originally Posted by mojaveman (Post 419637)
Interesting clip. I think what those Muslims are trying to do in London won't go over well in other areas of Europe, in particular East Germany. Don't think it would go over well here either, at least not where I live. :D

For some time have been Muslim Clerics here in the US spewing the same rhetoric as those in the clip but like the Blind Sheik we don't pay attention to them until one of their followers lights up and body parts are scattered about the landscape.....more recently there was Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki who served as an Imam in California, and later in the Washington, D.C. area where he headed the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center and was also the Muslim Chaplain at George Washington University.

Remember Advisor/Imam Rauf And lets not forget our very own Louis Farrakahn leader of the Nation of Islam


And more good news within the government...Mazen Asbah




Even within the past few weeks there is evidence of a much quieter march towards Sharia......through the use of Civil Rights Law.

The Ohio Department of Corrections removed pork from the menu to accommodate Muslims

Our DOJ ordered a school district to pay a teacher 75k for denying her special leave to attend the Haj in Mecca

mojaveman 10-18-2011 10:09

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 419674)
For some time have been Muslim Clerics here in the US spewing the same rhetoric as those in the clip but like the Blind Sheik we don't pay attention to them until one of their followers lights up and body parts are scattered about the landscape.....more recently there was Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki who served as an Imam in California, and later in the Washington, D.C. area where he headed the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center and was also the Muslim Chaplain at George Washington University.

Remember Advisor/Imam Rauf And lets not forget our very own Louis Farrakahn leader of the Nation of Islam


And more good news within the government...Mazen Asbah




Even within the past few weeks there is evidence of a much quieter march towards Sharia......through the use of Civil Rights Law.

The Ohio Department of Corrections removed pork from the menu to accommodate Muslims

Our DOJ ordered a school district to pay a teacher 75k for denying her special leave to attend the Haj in Mecca

Informative points. When some Muslim walks through the area where I live posting yellow signs about sharia law I'm going to do everything I can to make him feel extremely uncomfortable. ;)

akv 10-18-2011 13:08

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Originally Posted by Hand
They can eat 'wegetarian' at most restaurants

Are you confusing Hindus with Muslims? I haven't met to many vegetarian Muslims, halal yes, weggie whopper no. Given the historical enmity there it would be like asking a guy in a Georgia Bulldogs t-shirt if he pulls for the Gators?

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Originally Posted by Pete
Islam has won in the US.

QP Pete,

I have to respectfully disagree with your Islam has won here view, using Herman Cain's recent results as an example.

His if elected "I wouldn't have any ______ in my administration." stance even if misinterpreted in context would have been political suicide for a man hoping to be POTUS if you filled in the blank with, women, midgets, Texans, Methodists, or any other group qualification, however apparently you can fill in the blank "Muslims" and still win straw polls in FL.

As for the opposition to the pastor burning the Koran in FL, we have thousands of young Americans in harm's way fighting insurgencies in Muslim lands, how does this media stunt and the fallout help them do their jobs and get home safe? These are the circumstances of the time.

Richard 10-18-2011 13:13

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Islam has won in the US.
I disagree.

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Look at the "burning" issue.
OK.

I agree that we have the 'right' to burn our national flag - but I also think we reallly shouldn't do it.

I also agree that we have the right to burn a Bible - but I also think we really shouldn't do that either.

And I would also point out that within US Code there are no laws against burning a Koran and we still retain the 'right' to do so - but, as with the other examples cited, I personally think we really shouldn't do that, either.

So, if the 'right' to do something like that still exists, I don't see how it can be argued that we've capitulated to Islamic law over our national laws.

However - YMMV.

Richard

Pete 10-18-2011 13:23

BIG STINK
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 419765)
........So, if the 'right' to do something like that still exists, I don't see how it can be argued that we've capitulated to Islamic law over our national laws.

However - YMMV.

Richard

There seemed to be a pretty big stink raised here in the west about the guy that wanted to burn the Koran.

When it was pointed out that our own military forces burned thousands of Bibles the reaction was "YAWN, so what."

School kids are taught about Ramadan and Eid Al-fitr but go on Spring Break because of the "Wall between religion and the state"?

TOMAHAWK9521 10-18-2011 13:47

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Originally Posted by Wiseman (Post 419648)
It's sickening to be honest. Makes me want to purchase a shotgun for protection.

A shotgun? Why just a shotgun?

In embracing the liberal mindset :Where's your sense of diversity? Other tools of defense need luvin', too.. A shotgun is okay, but why not add a nice bolt-action rifle, a hi-cap .45, a good knife, a tomahawk, not to mention a surplus of ammo (finely coated with bacon grease-I mean teflon). :D

Richard 10-18-2011 13:47

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School kids are taught about Ramadan and Eid Al-fitr but go on Spring Break because of the "Wall between religion and the state"?
School kids are taught about all the world's numerous holidays (whether holy or secular) ICW their studies of those cultures and their histories to understand how they came about and their impact on societies.

Here, we have a fall (1 wk), winter (2 wks), spring (1 wk), and summer (10 wks) break for our schools. The breaks (except summer) traditionally coincide with a number of overlapping major religious holidays.

Richard

Pete 10-18-2011 14:18

Used to be
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 419774)
Here, we have a fall (1 wk), winter (2 wks), spring (1 wk), and summer (10 wks) break for our schools. The breaks (except summer) traditionally coincide with a number of overlapping major religious holidays.

Richard

You just proved my point Richard - it used to be Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter Breaks - but now is Fall, Winter and Spring.

Richard 10-18-2011 15:22

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 419791)
You just proved my point Richard - it used to be Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter Breaks - but now is Fall, Winter and Spring.

So - we changed what we call school breaks because of Islam? :confused:

We still have a Thanksgiving break (in addition to the fall break) and it is still called a Thanksgiving break as it is a national holiday.

The fall break coincides with several Jewish and Islamic holy days, as well as teacher in-service training days; the winter break coincides with several Christian, Jewish, and Interfaith holidays; and the spring break coincides with several Christian and Jewish holidays.

Thanksgiving is a national holiday - the remainder are breaks which allow numerous religions to celebrate holy days of importance to their faiths.

Personally, I see the changes as being more correctly in alignment with the intent of the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Richard

Paslode 10-18-2011 15:36

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 419765)
I disagree.
I don't see how it can be argued that we've capitulated to Islamic law over our national laws.

What about in instances where parties enter into a contract that is based Sharia or allows for Sharia Arbitration and the US Court system allows it, or as in the link below the US Court sends the case to the Texas Islamic Court

http://www.2ndcoa.courts.state.tx.us...pinionID=14601

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/sh...s-intexas.html


Considering that, it would appear we now have (2) systems of Law, one based on US Law and based on Sharia.

Pete 10-18-2011 15:44

The fall break?
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 419803)
.....The fall break coincides with several Jewish and Islamic holy days, as well as teacher in-service training days; the winter break coincides with ..............

Which Islamic Holiday coincides with the Fall Break? Ramadan moves backwards through the year with the moon. Works out to be about 11 days a year.

Ramadan this year was in August.

Some of the others are Al-Hijra, Ashura, Mawlid al-Nabi and Id al-Adha. all of them move through the year with the moon also.

As a side note since Ramadan is moving into July next year it should be around 6 years before it backs into the next school year.

Richard 10-18-2011 15:57

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 419805)
What about in instances where parties enter into a contract that is based Sharia or allows for Sharia Arbitration and the US Court system allows it, or as in the link below the US Court sends the case to the Texas Islamic Court

http://www.2ndcoa.courts.state.tx.us...pinionID=14601

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/sh...s-intexas.html


Considering that, it would appear we now have (2) systems of Law, one based on US Law and based on Sharia.

Rola Qaddura said...

I am Rola Qaddura. It is sad to say that I have been forbidden to talk about my case. My case has created an international controversy. My name was used in every article with partial information that is leading to an incorrect image about Muslims trying to impose Sharia in the Texas legal code.

Let me start by briefly telling my story. I was a petitioner of the mentioned lawsuit for divorce and custody that was based on physical abuse.

After prolonged battles in Texas District Court all parties signed an Islamic Arbitration agreement to arbitrate the case. District Court denied it. The Court of Appeal ruled that the agreement is valid and enforceable.

After all arbitration is arbitration.

In 2004 while arbitration was taking place a signed order from a District Court was presented to us to revoke arbitration and return to court for a final hearing. The order was signed the same morning of arbitration. Arbiters had to stop the hearing.

In Tarrant County the Muslim community is a big target for judicial elections. I am a party of the mentioned Islamic Arbitration. While the election were taking place in 2006 the court has ordered me not to talk to anyone about my case or to anyone at Mosques, to the extend if I need to seek help from the Mosque I have to do it through my attorney.

I am an American Muslim I have turned to the legal system to protect me and my children. When they didn't I had to ask for arbitration and still they will not allow it.

I have been a victim and now my children are too. I have experienced the true meaning of losing human rights. I have lived in fear, pain and still under threat. Respecting the Civil law I have complied with Court orders regardless of its fairness. I have paid 75% of my income in child support and since then I have seen my children 4 times only.

Ten years of battling in court it says something. What law would abuse a parent or a child? It should never be justified under any name neither Civil law, Jewish, Christian, nor Islamic. Families and children have rights regardless of any excuse or personal interests.

All religious preach for human rights however these rights whether it is civil or religious are only applicable and enforceable by judicial authorities.

When a corruption takes place who would have the authority a religion or officials?

I highly believe that corruption doesn't end justice but it is a reason for applying justice.

Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:16:00 PM


http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot....g-shariah.html

Richard 10-18-2011 16:13

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 419807)
Which Islamic Holiday coincides with the Fall Break?

The fall break varies annually - anytime between mid Sept to late Oct depending on the accomodation of the Jewish and/or Islamic holy days during the period which vary greatly from year to year. Sometimes it's only because of one; sometimes it's for both. This year neither fell during the school week so the district took only 2 days for teacher professional development pruposes. The next break is Thanksgiving.

Richard


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