Anti-Islamic propaganda? I'm curious how you arrived at this conclusion. I read the excerpt from the book on the link you provided, but it did not strike me as propaganda. It's important to note, I have zero knowledge of the Bosnia / Serbian situation so I may have missed something. What specifically lead you to the above opinion?

Sad but true.

The best litmus test of the state of things: Draw a cartoon of Jesus Christ that is mildly offensive to Christians. Draw a cartoon of the Mohammed the Prophet that is offensive to Muslims. Publish them both to a worldwide audience. See which one gets your life threatened first.

Our freedom and way of life is offensive to them. They want to destroy it.

(Edit) - I need to clarify. When I say "they," I mean radical Islamists.

I enjoyed working alongside Muslims for many years. They came to the US for the freedom it offered. One to escape the radical Islamists who took over his country, and the other to provide a safer life for his family than the war ravaged A-stan of Soviet occupation era. They had several things in common. They wanted to be American. They wanted freedom. They wanted the same freedoms for those of other beliefs. They wanted to live by the law of the land. Unfortunately, because of these beliefs, their lives would be in danger in the lands of their birth.

Spain did something in 1478 that might be a useful lesson for today, ran into it when I was reading some history, called the Inquisition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

I think France should do it like this, become French, assimilate, or leave, minus all the crazy torture stuff of course. Sounds simple, I'm sure its more complicated, but just a thought. That video of the Muslims praying in the street is just a ridiculous double standard and should not be allowed to happen. Whats the French Gov. saying to its people?

Then they should man up, pick up a gun, and change things back home, the same way we did here, twice.

TR

Sorry Dennis; I should have clarified my statement.

The overall tones of that chapter (Slobodan) were seemingly all focused on negative aspects of the spread of Islam to the Balkans.

(COMMENT: really?)

(COMMENT: OSS and British Commandos actually sent "advisors" to work by, with, and through Mikhalovich's Chetniks.)

(COMMENT: total BS and all one-sided. The Kosovo "war" was basically the West's attempt to right the wrong of Bosnia (e.g. the arms embargo, UNPROFOR's inability to protect, etc.).)

The original Russian is pretty slanted too but that's to be expected.

I'm not pro-Islam however, just imagine how things would have been different if the US intervened on Bosnia's behalf...like we did with Croatia...so they could mount a decent defense and allow for self-determination. What about Chechnya? Would we win over any Muslim allies if we supported the Chechen independence movement?

Undermanned and outgunned nations seeking freedom simply want anyone to come to their aid (which Nations supported the Colonies?). Bosnians, Kosovars, Albanians, and Chechens (Northern Caucasians in general) were previously very moderate. The majority drank, smoked, listened to music, etc.

I believe the Iranians and the Saudis were in Bosnia early on because "we" weren't. I think the same is true for Chechnya.

AQ has people who can infiltrate the US without raising suspicion. Imagine if we could do the same to them.

Back to the topic though. I believe that Muslims are in France because life sucks in their native lands (North and Sub-Saharan Africa, Middle East, etc) and France's left is allowing the Islamic takeover. IMO, a foreigner must assimilate or go back home...or they should be considered an invader.

I agree: Why do I have to push 1 for English?!?

RE: Post #18

YGBSM! :eek:

RE: Assimilation - now there's a rucksack full of wishful thinking and an ages olde issue influencing all sides of the problem.

Richard

Thanks for beating me to the punch. The Inquisition has about as much to recommend it as Sharia does. Personally, I have serious issues with ANYONE who wants to influence me at sword's point.

Me, too...as well as with any other point that invokes the use of fire, hell, fear, my XXX is the true XXX, apostasy, eternal damnation, etc, et al, und so weiter...

However, that's MOO - and so it goes...

Richard :munchin

Ya dont say... :D

TR,

People who escaped from that place do not look upon military service as something to aspire to. They see it as a way for more conflict and as a result would much rather pursue professional careers here in the US where they can make money and live relatively peacefully. My sources are people that are my age that come from Iran, India, and Malaysia. Their parents would have a fucking heart attack if their children would go to a recruiters office. Granted there are exceptions, but you don't really see a mass push amongst those communities.

Agreed. Inquisition, round-em-up-and-send-em-back, etc., etc. is no answer, and just plain silly.

I don't know the answer to TR's original question. I just know that freedom of religion should does not include the allowance of "You must believe in my XXX, or you will go to hell. As a matter of fact, why don't I send you there right now with my sword..."

Also, agreed. How do you influence that?

And my point is - if they're not willing to work to change their own communities in their home countries where do they get off thinking they have a right to force change on ours? (And why are the sheeple here so short-sighted as to let them?)

So fighting and dying for freedom is something they want, but do not care to pay a price for.

Yeah, that is just what we need coming to America....:rolleyes:

Where is compulsory service when you need it?

TR

I have to clarify something though. Their views are not extremist, they want to escape the conflict and they don't seek to change US culture. They don't hate US but they would not serve in the Armed Forces in any country. They want to make money and not get hurt. Their attitude is not exclusive though to immigrants coming in and it is very common across the US in general regardless of ethnic background.