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Richard 01-12-2010 15:22

MOO - but it seems pretty obvious that our North American neighbors to the North of our border understand our ways no better than do so many of our own citizens.

And so it goes...

Richard's jaded $.02 :munchin

nmap 01-12-2010 15:41

Isn't it interesting that the various players perceive a need to have some sort of stability police force? The last time we had a major failure of a police force was during Katrina, was it not? It seems like a rare event.

So it may be that this is simply something to do for those involved - a sort of toy. But I wonder...what if the present faux recovery is even more weak and vulnerable than I suspect. Is officialdom sending a message for those who can see?

Paslode 01-12-2010 16:16

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 307904)
MOO - but it seems pretty obvious that our North American neighbors to the North of our border understand our ways no better than do so many of our own citizens.

And so it goes...

Richard's jaded $.02 :munchin

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Originally Posted by nmap (Post 307909)
Isn't it interesting that the various players perceive a need to have some sort of stability police force? The last time we had a major failure of a police force was during Katrina, was it not? It seems like a rare event.

So it may be that this is simply something to do for those involved - a sort of toy. But I wonder...what if the present faux recovery is even more weak and vulnerable than I suspect. Is officialdom sending a message for those who can see?

In both cases, only time will tell.

6.8SPC_DUMP 01-12-2010 22:12

Moved to appropriate thread: http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ad.php?t=26768

6.8SPC_DUMP 01-12-2010 22:14

Deleted.

Paslode 01-12-2010 22:24

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Originally Posted by 6.8SPC_DUMP (Post 308003)
Executive Order 13524 (12/16/09) amended Reagan's EO 12425 to give INTERPOL the right to refuse disclosure of their materials in the US.

INTERPOL’s constitution prohibits ‘any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character.’ But they are also the worlds largest Policing organization; so why should they receive diplomatic type immunities from our LE organizations and FOIA?

Particularly:


Ronald Noble, who became Secretary General of Interpol after serving as Undersecretary for Enforcement of the Treasury, said in his 9/20/05 re-election acceptance speech:


Article on the topic:


That is another topic, but there seem to have been a slew of EO's in the recent weeks and an onslaught information regarding them. But answer me this, do any of our LE agencies receive the same broad immunities as the EO grants Interpol?

Lastly, what do you think of this Council of Governors?

Richard 01-12-2010 22:35

6.8SPC_DUMP and Paslode - y'all should reread the following thread:

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ad.php?t=26768

And so it goes...

Richard

6.8SPC_DUMP 01-12-2010 22:50

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 308010)
That is another topic, but there seem to have been a slew of EO's in the recent weeks and an onslaught information regarding them. But answer me this, do any of our LE agencies receive the same broad immunities as the EO grants Interpol?

Sorry I'm not the person to ask if any LE agencies receive the same immunities.

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Lastly, what do you think of this Council of Governors?
I hope it doesn't influence Governors to over rely on the Council for the decision making process of giving control of their National Guard.

Just my .0000002

Added: Sorry Richard should have searched.

Vic 01-16-2010 19:19

One of the next potential governers of texas, Debra Medina, says she plans to take back the guard to patrol the border. This might be the first challenge to the role they have been fit into lately.

ChickenMcFuggit 01-16-2010 19:38

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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo (Post 307853)
I would however like to step forward and volunteer the Govenor of Maryland to a position on the council. Perhaps he can be sent to Alaska for a very, very long time.

We the people of South Carolina have about as much use for our Guv as Bill had for Hillary. You might be hitting on an idea there....:D

Sigaba 01-16-2010 20:01

From the White House's press announcement partially quoted in the OP.
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The formation of the Council of Governors was required by the Fiscal Year 2008 National Defense Authorization Act which stated, “The President shall establish a bipartisan Council of Governors to advise the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the White House Homeland Security Council on matters related to the National Guard and civil support missions.” (NDAA FY2008,Sec 1822)
Interestingly, when Bush the Younger signed this act into law, he made no comment on this provision in his signing statement. This fact invites one to wonder. Is the root concern the EO itself or the guy who signed it? The Boston Globe's article on that signing statement is available here.
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Bush asserts authority to bypass defense act
Calls restrictions unconstitutional

By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 30, 2008

WASHINGTON - President Bush this week declared that he has the power to bypass four laws, including a prohibition against using federal funds to establish permanent US military bases in Iraq, that Congress passed as part of a new defense bill.

Bush made the assertion in a signing statement that he issued late Monday after signing the National Defense Authorization Act for 2008. In the signing statement, Bush asserted that four sections of the bill unconstitutionally infringe on his powers, and so the executive branch is not bound to obey them.

"Provisions of the act . . . purport to impose requirements that could inhibit the president's ability to carry out his constitutional obligations to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, to protect national security, to supervise the executive branch, and to execute his authority as commander in chief," Bush said. "The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President."

One section Bush targeted created a statute that forbids spending taxpayer money "to establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq" or "to exercise United States control of the oil resources of Iraq."

The Bush administration is negotiating a long-term agreement with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. The agreement is to include the basing of US troops in Iraq after 2008, as well as security guarantees and other economic and political ties between the United States and Iraq.

The negotiations have drawn fire in part because the administration has said it does not intend to designate the compact as a "treaty," and so will not submit it to Congress for approval. Critics are also concerned Bush might lock the United States into a deal that would make it difficult for the next president to withdraw US troops from Iraq.

"Every time a senior administration official is asked about permanent US military bases in Iraq, they contend that it is not their intention to construct such facilities," said Senator Robert P. Casey Jr., Democrat of Pennsylvania, in a Senate speech yesterday. "Yet this signing statement issued by the president yesterday is the clearest signal yet that the administration wants to hold this option in reserve."

Several other congressional Democrats also took issue with the signing statement.

"I reject the notion in his signing statement that he can pick and choose which provisions of this law to execute," said Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California. "His job, under the Constitution, is to faithfully execute the law - every part of it - and I expect him to do just that."

Bush's signing statement did not explain the specific basis for his objection to the prohibition on establishing permanent military bases in Iraq.

But last year, the White House told Congress that a similar provision in another bill "impermissibly infringes upon the president's constitutional authority to negotiate treaties and conduct the nation's foreign affairs."

Some legal specialists disagreed with the administration's legal theory.

"Congress clearly has the authority to enact this limitation of the expenditure of funds for permanent bases in Iraq," said Dawn Johnsen, an Indiana University law professor who was the head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel during the Clinton administration.

Bush's frequent use of signing statements to advance aggressive theories of executive power has been a hallmark of his presidency. Previous presidents occasionally used the device, but Bush has challenged more sections of bills than all his predecessors combined - among them, a ban on torture.

Bush signing statements prompted widespread controversy when his record came to light in 2006. After Democrats took over Congress in 2007, Bush initially issued fewer and less aggressive signing statements. But his new statement returned to the previous approach, observers said.

The signing statement also targeted a provision in the defense bill that strengthens protections for whistle-blowers working for companies that hold government contracts. The new law expands employees' ability to disclose wrongdoing without being fired, and it gives greater responsibility to federal inspectors general to investigate complaints of retaliation.

In addition, Bush targeted a section that requires intelligence agencies to turn over "any existing intelligence assessment, report, estimate or legal opinion" requested by the leaders of the House and Senate armed services committees within 45 days. If the president wants to assert executive privilege to deny the request, the law says, White House counsel must do so in writing.

Finally, Bush's signing statement raised constitutional questions about a section of the bill that established an independent, bipartisan "Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan" to investigate allegations of waste, mismanagement, and excessive force by contractors.

The law requires the Pentagon to provide information to the panel "expeditiously" upon its request.

The signing statement did not make clear whether Bush is objecting to the creation of the commission because some of its members will be appointed by Congress or whether he is reserving the right to turn down its requests for information - or both.

Phillip Cooper, a political science professor at Portland State University, noted that Bush's statement does not clearly spell out the basis for any of his challenges. Cooper, who has been a pioneer in studying signing statements, said the vague language itself is a problem.

"It is very hard for Congress or the American people to figure out what is supposed to happen and what the implications of this are," Cooper said.

The White House did not respond to a Globe request to explain the objections in greater detail. But the Bush administration has repeatedly insisted that its use of signing statements has been both lawful and appropriate.

Still, the signing statement makes one thing clear, according to David Barron, a Harvard law professor. The White House, he said, is pressing forward with its effort to establish that the commander in chief can defy laws limiting his options in national security matters. The administration made similar assertions in recent disputes over warrantless wiretapping and interrogation methods, he said.

"What this shows is that they're continuing to assert the same extremely aggressive conception of the president's unilateral power to determine how and when US force will be used abroad, and that's a dramatic departure from the American constitutional tradition," said Barron, who was a Justice Department official in the 1990s.

In 2006, the American Bar Association condemned signing statements as "contrary to the rule of law and our constitutional separation of powers."

Among the presidential candidates, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have said they would issue signing statements if elected. John McCain said he would not.
MOO, the council will prove more significant in electoral politics. First, members of the council will have the opportunity to receive national exposure. (Imagine a council on which the members from the president's party are especially dyanmic while those from the opposing party are milquetoast.) Second, council members will claim that their time on the council gave them experience in matters of homeland/national security.

Surf n Turf 02-05-2010 14:16

Update - Players assigned
 
Obama moving on ---
I think I read somewhere that the Federal Government was responsible to the states, and the citizens. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Why are they leading this parade.:confused:
SnT

WASHINGTON – Today, President Barack Obama announced his intent to appoint the following individuals to the Council of Governors. The Council, created January 11 of this year by Executive Order, will work closely with the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and other defense and national security advisors to exchange views, information and advice on matters of mutual interest pertaining to the National Guard, homeland defense, synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States, and civil support activities.

* Governor James H. Douglas, Co-Chair, Council of Governors * Governor Chris Gregoire, Co-Chair, Council of Governors * Governor Janice K. Brewer, Member, Council of Governors * Governor Luis G. Fortuño, Member, Council of Governors * Governor Brad Henry, Member, Council of Governors * Governor Robert F. McDonnell, Member, Council of Governors * Governor Jeremiah W. (Jay) Nixon, Member, Council of Governors * Governor Martin O’Malley, Member, Council of Governors * Governor Beverly Eaves Perdue, Member, Council of Governors * Governor M. Michael Rounds, Member, Council of Governors

President Obama said, “I am pleased that these Governors of exceptional experience have agreed to join the Council of Governors. This bipartisan team strengthens the partnership between our State Governments and the Federal Government when it comes to ensuring our national preparedness and homeland defense. I look forward to working with them in the years ahead.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2445154/posts

Sigaba 02-05-2010 14:36

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Originally Posted by Surf n Turf (Post 313089)
* Governor James H. Douglas, Co-Chair, Council of Governors
* Governor Chris Gregoire, Co-Chair, Council of Governors
* Governor Janice K. Brewer, Member, Council of Governors
* Governor Luis G. Fortuño, Member, Council of Governors
* Governor Brad Henry, Member, Council of Governors
* Governor Robert F. McDonnell, Member, Council of Governors
* Governor Jeremiah W. (Jay) Nixon, Member, Council of Governors
* Governor Martin O’Malley, Member, Council of Governors
* Governor Beverly Eaves Perdue, Member, Council of Governors
* Governor M. Michael Rounds, Member, Council of Governors
[The president] said, “I am pleased that these Governors of exceptional experience have agreed to join the Council of Governors. This bipartisan team strengthens the partnership between our State Governments and the Federal Government [/B]when it comes to ensuring our national preparedness and homeland defense. I look forward to working with them in the years ahead.”

IMO, it is revealing how the president lauds "this bipartisan team" but the White House's press release does not tell you which governor belongs to what party.:rolleyes: This deliberate omission allows him to take credit for a bipartisan approach and to deflect attention from where each member fits in the political spectrum in general and on GWOT in particular.

I think that domestic politics, not matters of national security, are the focus here.

YMMV.

Utah Bob 02-05-2010 17:58

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Originally Posted by Sigaba (Post 313096)
IMO, it is revealing how the president lauds "this bipartisan team" but the White House's press release does not tell you which governor belongs to what party.:rolleyes: This deliberate omission allows him to take credit for a bipartisan approach and to deflect attention from where each member fits in the political spectrum in general and on GWOT in particular.

I think that domestic politics, not matters of national security, are the focus here.

YMMV.

Their affiliations

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* Governor James H. Douglas, Co-Chair, Council of Governors Rep
* Governor Chris Gregoire, Co-Chair, Council of Governors Dem
* Governor Janice K. Brewer, Member, Council of Governors Rep
* Governor Luis G. Fortuño, Member, Council of Governors Rep
* Governor Brad Henry, Member, Council of Governors Dem
* Governor Robert F. McDonnell, Member, Council of Governors Rep
* Governor Jeremiah W. (Jay) Nixon, Member, Council of Governors Dem
* Governor Martin O’Malley, Member, Council of Governors Dem
* Governor Beverly Eaves Perdue, Member, Council of Governors Dem
* Governor M. Michael Rounds, Member, Council of Governors Rep


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