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Richard 12-03-2008 13:34

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 238042)
He's "I'm Still Tortured By What I Saw In Iraq" I'm Still Tortured By What I Saw In San Francisco, it didn't take long for me to come to the conclusion he's gay and spineless.;)

I watched the interview on Hannity and Colmes...and agree with TS...although it is sometimes difficult to tell with zoomies and squids. :p

Richard's $.02 :munchin

JimP 12-03-2008 16:04

One Zero has it correct.

Monsoon65 12-03-2008 18:41

Great, another black eye for the USAF. Thanks, jerkface.

What ever happened to "NDAs" and shutting your mouth when you see/hear something that's classified while on duty?

And as someone here posted, only a coward writes a book about something AFTER he leaves the service, instead of fighting a problem while he's still in.

sf11b_p 12-05-2008 15:59

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Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor (Post 237848)
I'll take that wager. I like Guiness. :D

I would too, a serviceable Springfield .45 or USP would be great :), a Sam Adams would do.

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Matthew Alexander, a pseudonym, head of the interrogation team that turned Zarqawi's own men against the master terrorist.
Partial transcript Hannity & Colmes http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460944,00.html

It's unfortunate, by the way, that his chosen pseudonym is the same as that of a Stryker Brigade CPL who died of wounds received from an IED ambush in Baqubah, Iraq 2007.

AngelsSix 12-05-2008 19:37

Dirtbag.

greenberetTFS 12-06-2008 03:13

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Originally Posted by Red Flag 1 (Post 238002)
By his own statements, Alexander has made just hundreds of new friends. The friends were his prisioners. Perhaps the money he plans to earn from his book, allows him to sleep at night; to compensate for the guilt of having enemy combatants as pals.

Alexander should be a greatful ex-pilot who has been able to realise a personal profit from a war. Who knows, perhaps BHO will name him the next Dir. of the CIA. I wonder if he has any friends left in the US military?
My $.02.


RF 1

RF 1, Makes an excellent point.....But,I do wonder how Alexander does sleep at night knowing he ratted out his buddies..........:(

GB TFS :munchin

AngelsSix 12-06-2008 06:26

Here's another round of interviews: http://www.alternet.org/rights/10979..._9_11_attacks/

I think this is interesting:
Writing under the pseudonym Matthew Alexander, a former special intelligence operations officer

What's a special intelligence operations officer??

He writes: "My team of interrogators had successfully hunted down one of the most notorious mass murderers of our generation, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq and the mastermind of the campaign of suicide bombings that had helped plunge Iraq into civil war. But instead of celebrating our success, my mind was consumed with the unfinished business of our mission: fixing the deeply flawed, ineffective and un-American way the U.S. military conducts interrogations in Iraq. I'm still alarmed about that today."


His team of interrogators "successfully hunted down one of the most notorious mass murderers of our generation..........."

Really?? I though the Army did that....I heard no mention of AF involvement in this at all, although I am sure some of it was a joint effort betweens services. I am also starting to hear rumors that this dude was not military at the time, that he was part of a contract group, which doesn't surprise me.


AG: So, how did you get information about his whereabouts?
MA: Well, the things that we used in Iraq is we took the methods that had been used prior to our arrival, and we changed them. The methods that the Army was using were based on fear and control, and those techniques are not effective. They're not the most effective way to get people to cooperate. My team was a little bit different, because we were made up of several criminal investigators who had experience doing criminal interrogations, in which we don't use fear and control. We use techniques that are based on understanding, cultural understanding, sympathy, things like intellect, ingenuity, innovation. And we started to apply these types of techniques to the interrogations. And ultimately, we were able to put together a string of successes within the al-Qaida organization that led to Zarqawi's location


Experience in criminal investigations?? The guy was a helicopter pilot.....are they teaching AF pilots interrogation procedures now?

There is more to this, I am sure............

11B2V 12-06-2008 13:47

My $.03
 
This a perfect example of why some Americans seem to be confused about what is right and wrong about this war. The guys I have deployed with were not saints by any means, but we saw first hand that we had an opportunity to make an impact in/around the AO's we worked. "Matthew Alexander", you need to know that many of us believe that a life of freedom is worth the fight. (We learned this from our forefathers) You need to know that even though you may not be able to stomach the reality that war may be too harsh for you, you can rest at ease knowing that WE will do our best to protect freedom wherever it is threatened. "Matthew Alexander", I wonder how many of your friends and teammates you have had to watch bleed out in the streets of Al-Anbar province? I hope America realizes that our enemy will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to destroy his enemy (YOU and ME). I strongly disagree with tactics such as inhumane beheadings, and cowardly IED's (oh wait that's not us), but I think we should do WHATEVER IT TAKES to keep our people safe. "Matthew Alexander" the bureaucratic ammunition you have spewed onto paper that will fuel the fire for do-nothing politicians, and confused (misinformed) American citizens makes me sick. Seriously.

Sorry guys, stepping down from the soapbox now. Anyone else?
That post just hit me hard.

moobob 12-06-2008 16:10

What an idiot.

Some of the greatest interrogation successes for the Army were made using the techniques this queer claims to have pioneered. Each prisoner is different, and requires different approach strategies than the next guy. Just as each interrogator is different and has strengths and weaknesses in utilizing the approaches. Just as TS said, believing that the greatest reason a foreign fighter went to Iraq was Abu G/Gitmo is absurd and is either a bold faced lie, or just proves the guy knows nothing about the middle east.

If he is so tortured by what he saw (*cries*) maybe he should bite a bullet and off himself, saving myself a wasted episode of Hannity and Colmes.

An interrogator's 2 cents.

Red Flag 1 12-06-2008 16:57

A6,

As you and I both know, "additional duty requirements", and "career broadining " assignments can lead to new careers. He could have transitioned out of a flying slot for real. It would be nice to know if s*%$bag was a sanctioned OSI agent, ever. Someone must know that. I am aware that USAF OSI agents were credited with a pretty big bust. If this was the bust, well I guess good on them. Is this guy really one of them? Someone knows. This whole think just stinks.

My $.02.


RF 1

AngelsSix 12-06-2008 18:25

This guy was not an OSI agent. I have already cleared that. He probably was an interrogator in an additional duty slot, since the Air Force opened up Ft. Huachuca to the AF to go learn interrogation in support of the Army. Support being the operative word in that sentence. From what intell I have, he was not directly involved in the Zarqawi capture. His story about talking to some prisoner right before he was trasnfered and getting the location of Al-Z was also not a complete truth. I think the guy is telling tales out of school because the folks he worked for are not going to come out and say otherwise and the DIRTBAG knows it.

one-zero 12-06-2008 22:59

He is lying
 
A6: Ref post #6 this thread - I was there - he is lying.

RF1: OSI had absolutely NOTHING to do with this, it was SOF elements that did the exploitation and targeting. The USAF involvement was via the fast movers that dropped the munitions on the target and SOF went in for the cleanup.

Our ground team brought his body back to our operating location and let gators, analysts, helo pilots and everyone else who was a part of the "overall" team view him and make physically tangible the results of their efforts in assisting the killers to go out and do their job.
This homo gator was a just another guy on rotation who is taking advantage of insider knowledge while serving as an augmentee and twisting the story for personal gain. While the element that took AMZ down undoubtedly has the ass because of this fabrication, you'll note it's not an item to pursue legally - because it's a lie...If he were revealing REAL sequence of events and TTPs involved in the operation he'd be getting a visit.
Anyone who's been to the warzone, whether a laundrymat operator on a FOB to a fag AF gator can make a buck telling stories like this - the units involved are too busy fighting a real war to set the story straight - an unfortunate reality since people back home eat this stuff up.

You can get the ass about it - but you're wasting time with all this speculation his background (OSI, pilot, Spec Ops Intel officer) he has no credibility except among those who WANT to believe this crap, he's a lying dirtbag - period.

Merry Christmas
1-0

alright4u 12-07-2008 02:48

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Originally Posted by 504PIR (Post 237771)
I think this guy is full of s*&^.

He is a Spec Ops helo pilot, counter intelligence agent and a gator assigned to the TF that nailed Zarq????????????

I doubt it.

I had no regrets when I turned over VCI I captured with PRU to the Viets, and; this guy wants to play PC?

BS meter way up.

Red Flag 1 12-07-2008 11:13

one-zero,

Thank you! Not only for the info, but your service and dedication. It is absolutely frosting to think this "guy" should show any gain at all. He is a toxic presence!

A Psychiatrist friend of mine would, in an event such as this, would say,"If you play with reality, reality will play with you".

A6, seems this idiot was no more than a somewhat informed observer. What a s%^&!

Thank you again one-zero!!


RF 1

PSM 12-07-2008 17:19

Radio interview at the top of the hour
 
If anyone's interested, MA will be be interviewed on KFI 640 at 0006 Zulu today. The interviewer is an NG Infantry officer who has deployed to Iraq at least once.

KFI640

Pat


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