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AngelsSix 07-03-2008 22:42

http://ncfindoffender.com/disclaimer.aspx

From NC's sex offender registry site:

Acceptable Use Policy
This information is made available for purposes of protecting the public, for keeping them informed and for allowing them to take proactive measures to ensure safety in their communities. Use and/or misuse of this information by individuals, groups or entities to commit criminal acts (to include, but not limited to, threats, intimidation, stalking, harassment) against other persons is subject to criminal prosecution

FMF DOC 07-04-2008 07:18

Of course !!!! Were always protecting the criminals:mad: Who's protecting our children?

Defender968 07-04-2008 08:28

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Originally Posted by echoes (Post 215267)
Col. Sir,

Very well said.

According to Atty. Gen. at the press conference, "The vermont sex-offender treatment program, is award winning."

Am hoping that some kind of chemicals could be used on this offender, to permenently remove (abilities.):mad:

Rest-in-peace Brooke.

Holly


My recommendation would be Sodium thiopental, then Pancuronium bromide, followed by Potassium chloride, when used in a timely manner these chemicals are found to be 100% effective for stopping these animals from continuing their behavior.

In my opinion we shouldn't have a sex offender registry, we should have a list of deceased offenders, the recidivism of child sex abuse is appalling, the death penalty was designed to protect society from criminals who could not be dealt with using other means, it should be utilized to the max with regard to these monsters, and not with 100 appeals, 1 appeal 180 days max time limit, then a needle in the arm, done, next! Charles Barkley had it right back when he was on Leno about 10 years ago I believe, he was thinking about running for office of some type, and basically said "If I were in charge it wouldn't be death row, it would be death week!" That’s how it should be, justice delayed is justice denied period. :mad:

Once a predator always a predator, if these animals are loose they will victimize more children, they are what they are and should be destroyed.

Just my .02, rant off.

AngelsSix 07-04-2008 23:03

Posted by FMF DOC
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Of course !!!! Were always protecting the criminals Who's protecting our children?
WE ARE, THE PARENTS!!

My folks knew where I was and who I was with at all times. They had met all of my friends' parents and even grandparents (in the case of my neighbor whose grandparents lived around the block). Whenever we left the house to go to a friends' house, my friends parents had to call as soon as we arrived or we were in HUGE trouble. Of course, we did not have computers so there were no sick freaks trying to lure us away over the net, either.:rolleyes:

Skelepede 07-05-2008 03:11

What do our children become when we fail to protect them? Very often children who are not protected grow up to have very little sympathy or empathy for others, or anyone elses' pain, and they become criminals. Certainly not all, but without a moral compass, it's very easy to violate moral codes, and conventions, there is nothing to impede the sociopath from hurting someone else. Obviously, if we have the death penalty for murder we should most definitely have it for child rapists, but that argument is sort of subterfuge, because as it is now, child rapists receive very little prison time, and it's usually due a prosectuor who's looking for high conviction rates. The high conviction rates of a Prosecutor are the primary cause of plea bargains, and yet the American people have been watching too much Law and Order, where the criminal always gets the maximum time allowed by the law. This very rarely happens.

gagners 07-05-2008 07:34

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney (Post 215309)
There are a lot of angry people in town today.

I'm not sure how you put "It's about fucking time" eloquently sir, but I'm still looking for the words.

As a fellow VTer, I heard about this travesty while down in VA. I called the wife and she was watching it on Nancy Grace. This state's handling of pedophiles is awful and you see what ends up happening. First Cashman (who should hve been disbarred), now this.

Let the world be warned: If you come anywhere near my daughter, I will come out blasting and ask questions later... I've been using the states registered sex-offender website to scan the county.

God bless you little one and I pray your unfortunate death will precipitate into real change around here, not just stump speeches. No child should have to go through this. Not one. Nor should anyone live after committing such an act. Not one. Better men have died for less...

gagners 07-05-2008 07:38

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Originally Posted by AngelsSix (Post 215498)
Posted by FMF DOC

Of course, we did not have computers so there were no sick freaks trying to lure us away over the net, either.:rolleyes:

Well put. New SOP in our home: Computer (only one in the house) is now on the kitchen table - moved only for meal-time. There will be no guessing as to what sites kids (and wife... :D - jk) are visiting.

Also, an inch of involvement in your child's life goes a mile in preventing alot of issues, as you mentioned with your parents, A6.

FMF DOC 07-05-2008 08:18

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Originally Posted by gagners (Post 215510)
Well put. New SOP in our home: Computer (only one in the house) is now on the kitchen table - moved only for meal-time. There will be no guessing as to what sites kids (and wife... :D - jk) are visiting.

Also, an inch of involvement in your child's life goes a mile in preventing alot of issues, as you mentioned with your parents, A6.

Exactly, Same here ours is located just off the livingroom and I can see the screen from anywhere I sit. I also have my daughters passwords to e-mail and anything eles. I also agree 100% it is the PARENTS responsibilty but even with knowing everyone your kids hang out with, making the phone calls and checking up on them time and time again it's not full proof. Nothing is. Hell you got teachers, preist, Dr's & lawyers taking advantage of our children not to mention the lowlife scum hiding around the corner and I think the courts should crush these individuals, first time offense and never be let back on the streets again. NEVER

Jack Moroney (RIP) 07-05-2008 11:15

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Originally Posted by gagners (Post 215510)
Also, an inch of involvement in your child's life goes a mile in preventing alot of issues, as you mentioned with your parents, A6.

And that is a fact. My kids are all in their late thirties and early fourties now and they never were out of sight or mind. Their cousins thought I was too strict and referred to me as "The Great Santini"-never to my face however. But then, for the most part, their parents were their friends and not parents. When someone got too close to my kids I was in their face. I knew my kids' friends names, their parents, their dogs names and how many gold fish they had. When kids came to date my daughter they came in the house and we met and if necessary established ground rules. One individual showed up with a car that had tires balder than I and I told him if he was going to date my daugther he needed to get new tires. The clown borrowed someone else's car, I found out and retrieved my daughter much to her dismay but the word got out. When I was off doing my thing for God and Country my wife kept a pay back book in which the kids listed their transgressions for my reading enjoyment when I came home. They not only were great kids (all with scholarships to college) but terrific adults today. Now if I erred on the side of being "Too Strict", you sure would not know it by where they are today. Of course, my wife was in the equation as much as I, but she was always a sweetheart and saw the good side of folks and was more apt to deal with things in a more polite and quite manner I was more apt to forgive and forget after getting even.

FMF DOC 07-05-2008 17:43

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney (Post 215518)
And that is a fact. My kids are all in their late thirties and early fourties now and they never were out of sight or mind. Their cousins thought I was too strict and referred to me as "The Great Santini"-never to my face however. But then, for the most part, their parents were their friends and not parents. When someone got too close to my kids I was in their face. I knew my kids' friends names, their parents, their dogs names and how many gold fish they had. When kids came to date my daughter they came in the house and we met and if necessary established ground rules. One individual showed up with a car that had tires balder than I and I told him if he was going to date my daugther he needed to get new tires. The clown borrowed someone else's car, I found out and retrieved my daughter much to her dismay but the word got out. When I was off doing my thing for God and Country my wife kept a pay back book in which the kids listed their transgressions for my reading enjoyment when I came home. They not only were great kids (all with scholarships to college) but terrific adults today. Now if I erred on the side of being "Too Strict", you sure would not know it by where they are today. Of course, my wife was in the equation as much as I, but she was always a sweetheart and saw the good side of folks and was more apt to deal with things in a more polite and quite manner I was more apt to forgive and forget after getting even.

I now work as a Child Care Director for troubled youth and it's amazing and very sad reading the profiles of most of our kids and the family life that they had which eventually led up to them being sent to us. (court ordered). Reicieved a call on Thursday from a parent who was inquiring about visiting their child in our facility. 1. He didn't know his child had been sent to us. Divoeced parents and it seems neither care what happens to the 14yr old daughter, the daughter stated she hadn't seen or heard from her dad in two yrs. That's how kids like that end up on the streets. Unfortunetly 20/20 had reported about six months ago that the buisness I'm in is oneof th fastest growing buisnesses in the nation. When we were kids I doubt this idea of having placement facilties was even thought of nor required.

But with all that being said I still believe there should be no such thing as a second offense for a child preditor because they should be delt with accordingly the first time.

Dad 07-05-2008 18:36

Fifteen years ago this August, in Plano, Tx a beautiful little seven year old girl was attending her older brothers soccer game. She wasn't 30 feet from her parents when they heard a car door slam and a car sped off. It was the last time they saw her alive. The man arrested and convicted of the crime had previously been convicted twice for sexual assault of a child. The second time he was sentenced to 10 years, I believe, in prison. He was paroled after just 18 months. When the parole board was questioned as to why he had been paroled, the response was they did not know he was a pedophile. I am not shitting you. From this experience I learned these things:
1. Pedophiles go where the children are. Always be alert. A little paranoia is perfectly acceptable and may save a childs life. If someone makes you suspicious, don't ignore your instincts
2. Don't assume your state laws really protect children. Learn what laws are relevant and if they are effective. And if they are not, do not rest, do not linger, and never be satisfied until lawmakers are forced to provide effective legislation for protection. The police cannot protect the public if they don't have legislative support.

The convicted murderer has now been on death row for over 14 years. This shit happens too often and trust me, it can hit close to home.

The Reaper 07-05-2008 20:15

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 215541)
Fifteen years ago this August, in Plano, Tx a beautiful little seven year old girl was attending her older brothers soccer game. She wasn't 30 feet from her parents when they heard a car door slam and a car sped off. It was the last time they saw her alive. The man arrested and convicted of the crime had previously been convicted twice for sexual assault of a child. The second time he was sentenced to 10 years, I believe, in prison. He was paroled after just 18 months. When the parole board was questioned as to why he had been paroled, the response was they did not know he was a pedophile. I am not shitting you. From this experience I learned these things:
1. Pedophiles go where the children are. Always be alert. A little paranoia is perfectly acceptable and may save a childs life. If someone makes you suspicious, don't ignore your instincts
2. Don't assume your state laws really protect children. Learn what laws are relevant and if they are effective. And if they are not, do not rest, do not linger, and never be satisfied until lawmakers are forced to provide effective legislation for protection. The police cannot protect the public if they don't have legislative support.

The convicted murderer has now been on death row for over 14 years. This shit happens too often and trust me, it can hit close to home.

I can pretty much guarantee that anyone attempting to kidnap my child will not need legal services or incarceration. A full mag to the center of mass should see to that.

And I do not care how messed up the person was psychologically. If you cannot stand to kill them, or to let someone who cares about children enough to do so, you must lock them up after the first one and throw away the key, either in a prison, or a mental institution. LWOP.

You would be shocked how many pedophiles sneak across our southern border, to prey upon our children, get caught, be deported, and come back for more.

If we really cared about the kids (who are the victims), we would eliminate the threats, by any means necessary.

I believe in a one strike policy for those who prey upon our children.

TR

Dad 07-05-2008 20:58

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Reaper

Damn right.

Defender968 07-06-2008 08:50

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 215546)
And I do not care how messed up the person was psychologically. If you cannot stand to kill them, or to let someone who cares about children enough to do so, you must lock them up after the first one and throw away the key, either in a prison, or a mental institution. LWOP.

TR

AGREE COMPLETELY, unfortunately in our current system it's near impossible to lock someone up for life especially on the first offense, we have too many sheep/liberals who believe in "rehabilitation" even though the statistics show beyond a shadow of a doubt that these predators cannot be rehabilitated.

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 215546)

If we really cared about the kids (who are the victims), we would eliminate the threats, by any means necessary.

I believe in a one strike policy for those who prey upon our children.

TR

ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON, I truly hope the tragedy that befell Brook will help to bring this problem into the public conscious and will actually spur some true changes in the system, unfortunately I am doubtful that it will, after all if her biological parents gave a #$%& about her in the first place they wouldn’t have allowed her to be in the company of not 1 but 2 pedophiles, and the parents of a lost child are often the most effective in effecting change. Look at Michael Walsh and Richard and Maureen Kanka. I’d love to see the penalties for these crimes get real teeth, i.e. needle in the arm after the first conviction, but again I doubt they ever will as there are just too many sheep who just want to believe the world is populated by nice people and that all people are inherently good no matter what they have done to the most defenseless of our society.

In the meantime, I don't have kids yet, but when the wife and I do, I think TR's theory of dealing with an abductor is the answer.

afchic 07-06-2008 10:25

RIP Little One.

You better believe that if someone ever did something to one of my kids I would be the one sitting in the orange jumpsuit, because that individual would be in the ground.

I too am a "mean mom" because I insist on the computer being in the kids "entertainment room" with the computer screen visible into the family room. where I can see it anytime I glance over from there or the kitchen. My 11 year old is not allowed an e-mail account, myspace etc... and says it isn't fair because her friends have it. On top of that, I told her if I find out she is at a friends house going to websites not allowed in our house, she will no longer be able to visit that friend anymore.

She must let her dad and I know where she is going (and then only if we have met the parents) and call when she gets there. SHe knows the appointed hour of when she is suppose to be home and what happens if she is 1 minute late.

We are trying to give her a little bit more independence but it is hard to do when there are so many looney tunes out there.

Unfortunately my 16 year step daughter does not have the same supervision by her mother. She was visiting us for two weeks and left her myspace page open on the computer one day. Nothing on it that a normal 16 year old wouldn't have. Her favorite music, chat room with her friends, pictures of her and her friends (and let me tell you she doesn't look anywhere close to 16, 23 or 24 more like). The thing that bothered me was that her page had over 25,000 hits because it was an open page and anyone could access it.

I have talked to her about this until I am blue in the face, but she just doesn't get it. She believes no one out there would ever try to hurt her. Her mom doesn't pay enough attention to her comings and goings let alone who she is doing it with. The kid has a great head on her shoulders but sometimes I fear that will not be enough to get her through her teenage years without proper guidance. My husband and I do as much as we can from 1200 miles away. Dialy texts, e-mails, phone calls, etc. But without physical interacation we can only influence so much of what is going on in her life.

Sorry for the diatribe, but this whole situation just has my blood boiling over.


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