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Guy 03-05-2008 14:03

I agree...
 
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Originally Posted by rubberneck (Post 201679)
My comments had more to do with moderate/slightly liberal white voters and college aged kids who seemed to be enthralled with the idea of a black or female candidate at the top of the ticket. Black voters aren't enough to swing a state like Florida as they vote solidly democrat anyways, but the soccer moms and motivated young voters are enough to sink McCain in a must win state. Having Powell or Rice on the ticket could negate that effect but it also might drive away conservatives who are wary of McCain to being with. Interesting political calculus either way.

Stay safe.

The Reaper 03-05-2008 14:04

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Originally Posted by Guy (Post 201681)
JC Watts would be an ideal candidate to offset the Dems hold on the black vote....

Guy, I like JC and would vote for him over McCain in a flash. Minority and strong conservative, albeit from a small state. However, how many additional votes do you think he would bring? Look at Obama's run against Alan Keyes. How many votes did Keyes get?

I wish JC would run for Senate, and then look to bigger things.

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Originally Posted by Guy (Post 201681)
Even though the Hispanics are a larger minority; they lack the "political" power that the blacks have....

I hear you, but I would take the extra percent of Hispanics that could be persuaded to vote Republican over the very few blacks who would, even with their political clout. As you well know, the black vote is largely pledged to the Dems, who IMHO, are not looking after the interests of many black Americans.

TR

The Reaper 03-05-2008 14:08

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Originally Posted by That Guy v2.0 (Post 201682)
I agree with what you say.

The main reason I like this guy is his financial/economic background. We have a few problems as a country looming on the horizon with this. McCain himself has said he doesn't know much about the economy. It's a glaring weakness that needs to be addressed.

My perception of Dem strategy in the fall will be that they tie McCain to Bush on Foreign Policy to negate his strength and pound him on the economy.


How much effect do you think the VP has on economic policy?

What does Bloomberg bring as VP that he would not get as Sec Treasury, Fed Chair, or just a trusted advisor?

BTW, the economy was running along just fine till the Dem Congress took over. Last time I checked, they appropriated the money. About as much cause and effect there as President Bush has had.

TR

Guy 03-05-2008 14:10

GOD knows...
 
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
As you well know, the black vote is largely pledged to the Dems, who IMHO, are not looking after the interests of many black Americans.
TR

I've been trying to get the word out! They will NOT listen too me.:o

Stay safe.

rubberneck 03-05-2008 14:10

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 201684)
Guy, I like JC and would vote for him over McCain in a flash. Minority and strong conservative, albeit from a small state. However, how many additional votes do you think he would bring? Look at Obama's run against Alan Keyes. How many votes did Keyes get?

TR

I think the better example would be Lt Governor Michael Steele. He was as impressive as any candidate for Senate in 2006. While Steele was a much more impressive candidate than Keyes he was also had the advantage of running against a white democrat. Despite those advantages he only managed to pull in 25% of the black vote in Maryland.

Keyes was an outsider who was a last second replacement for a candidate mired in a sex scandal. He was going to get it handed to him one way or another regardless of his race.

swpa19 03-05-2008 14:37

If considerations are given to a female VP, Id have to agree with Shar
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If we're looking at a female, I'd look at someone like a Kay Bailey Hutchinson first.
I would also not discount Alaska governor Sarah Palin. JMHO

That Guy v2.0 03-05-2008 14:40

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 201685)
How much effect do you think the VP has on economic policy?

What does Bloomberg bring as VP that he would not get as Sec Treasury, Fed Chair, or just a trusted advisor?

BTW, the economy was running along just fine till the Dem Congress took over. Last time I checked, they appropriated the money. About as much cause and effect there as President Bush has had.

TR

I think that after Cheney being VP people will pay more attention to this choice so It could be more important than in elections of the past.

As a voice in the room with those kind of decisions get made I like him. He would have more impact on those decisions there than as Sec Tres or Fed Chair.

The one thing I don't like in general with politics in the present is selecting a candidate because he'll bring in a certain block of voters. That's great in the short run to get our guy in office but where are the credentials and experience to back it up. That's why I'm so confused as to the appeal of Obama. IMHO experience counts for a lot.

As far as the other names being thrown around. I haven't heard of most of them and they may be great guys but I'd like to think a candiate is bringing more to the table than getting behind core party policies that were decided a long time ago.

This thread reminds me of a book I want to read but haven't yet. Maybe someone else will like it.

The Myth of the Rational Voter: Why Democracies Choose Bad Policies
http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Rational-.../dp/0691129428

That Guy v2.0 03-05-2008 14:43

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Originally Posted by swpa19 (Post 201696)
If considerations are given to a female VP, Id have to agree with Shar I would also not discount Alaska governor Sarah Palin. JMHO

Senator Hutchison was in the Dallas Morning News the other day saying she is not interested.

I also saw Palin's name but can't recall what was said.

The Reaper 03-05-2008 15:00

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Originally Posted by That Guy v2.0 (Post 201697)
I think that after Cheney being VP people will pay more attention to this choice so It could be more important than in elections of the past.

As a voice in the room with those kind of decisions get made I like him. He would have more impact on those decisions there than as Sec Tres or Fed Chair.

The one thing I don't like in general with politics in the present is selecting a candidate because he'll bring in a certain block of voters. That's great in the short run to get our guy in office but where are the credentials and experience to back it up. That's why I'm so confused as to the appeal of Obama. IMHO experience counts for a lot.

As far as the other names being thrown around. I haven't heard of most of them and they may be great guys but I'd like to think a candiate is bringing more to the table than getting behind core party policies that were decided a long time ago.

Oh to be young and to know everything without having experienced it...:rolleyes:

Millions of Republican conservatives would stay home with a McCain-Bloomberg ticket. I know I would.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson is good, but Texas will go Republican regardless of who the VP is.

Palin is unknown nationally, and Alaska has too few voters to bring anything to the table.

I hope they find the right person to give conservatives a reason to vote without running off too many independents.

TR

Shar 03-05-2008 15:13

JC Watts
 
I like the idea of JC Watts, he's young and energetic... and black. But he hasn't been in politics since 2002. That's eons ago.

The GOP needs a younger, conservative rock star to balance McCain. The problem is - we don't have a rock star. The biggest failing of the GOP over the last 8 years is that it has been stagnating and not grooming it's Obama.

Just checked In-Trade and they have Pawlenty by a mile. Rice, Giuiani, Huckabee, Romney, Thompson, Hutchinson, Steele are also mentioned but are in single digits. (If you buy into In-Trade at all.)

The Reaper 03-05-2008 15:20

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Originally Posted by Shar (Post 201707)
I like the idea of JC Watts, he's young and energetic... and black. But he hasn't been in politics since 2002. That's eons ago.

The GOP needs a younger, conservative rock star to balance McCain. The problem is - we don't have a rock star. The biggest failing of the GOP over the last 8 years is that it has been stagnating and not grooming it's Obama.

Exactly.

Where would we be now if Cheney had stepped down for health reasons in 2004 and JC Watts been on the ticket?

Or Condi?

Or any one of a number of conservative young Republicans.

We might be looking at McCain as a possible VP nominee.

Where are Pawlenty's conservative creds, what quals does he bring to the table, and why would we want him as VP?

TR

Shar 03-05-2008 15:30

Pawlenty
 
March 2, 2008, 11:16PM
How Tim Pawlenty lost his spot on the McCain ticket

By ROBERT D. NOVAK

Minnesota's Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty carefully prepared his plan for controlling greenhouse gas emissions to present it at the annual Washington winter meeting of governors.

That effort coincided with Pawlenty's fast-rising prospects to become Sen. John McCain's choice for vice president. But behind closed doors, his fellow governors from energy-producing states complained so vigorously that the scheme was buried.

Pawlenty's position as chairman of the National Governors Association may prove his undoing. While party insiders sing his praises as ideal to be McCain's running mate, leading conservative Republican governors have been less than pleased with him. Pawlenty has collaborated with the NGA vice chairman, Pennsylvania Gov. Edward G. Rendell, in a fat economic stimulus package, as well as the energy proposal.

Hours after Pawlenty's energy plan was derailed, McCain himself was urged in private by GOP governors not to appear to be anti-coal or anti-oil. The upshot of a busy recent Saturday at the J.W. Marriott Hotel in downtown Washington was that Pawlenty came over as somebody considerably different from what McCain needs to calm conservatives. He left the nation's capital as a less attractive vice presidential possibility than he was when he arrived.

The 47-year-old Pawlenty long has been talked about as a good fit for the 71-year-old McCain. He is the most conservative Minnesota governor since Theodore "Tightwad Ted" Christianson in 1925. Elected for two terms (albeit narrowly) in a slightly blue state, Pawlenty is seen by supporters as a plus for McCain in the Democratic upper Midwest if added to the ticket.

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For the rest of the article:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...k/5586397.html

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So maybe not??

rubberneck 03-05-2008 15:37

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Originally Posted by Shar (Post 201707)
The GOP needs a younger, conservative rock star to balance McCain. The problem is - we don't have a rock star. The biggest failing of the GOP over the last 8 years is that it has been stagnating and not grooming it's Obama.

There are no "rock star" conservatives largely due to the fact that they are manufactured by the mainstream media. Take Obama for instance. He is clearly inexperienced for the job with only three years as the junior Senator from Illinois on his resume, yet he can do no wrong. Matt Blunt on the other hand was elected as Governor of Missouri in 2004 at the age of 33. Have you heard a single word mentioned about him in the National media? If he ran for the White House he would have been dismissed as too inexperienced for the job.

When you get into these pop culture wars conservatives always lose because the producers of pop culture in this country are by in large liberal.

That Guy v2.0 03-05-2008 15:56

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 201704)
Oh to be young and to know everything without having experienced it...:rolleyes:

Millions of Republican conservatives would stay home with a McCain-Bloomberg ticket. I know I would.

Kay Bailey Hutchinson is good, but Texas will go Republican regardless of who the VP is.

Palin is unknown nationally, and Alaska has too few voters to bring anything to the table.

I hope they find the right person to give conservatives a reason to vote without running off too many independents.

TR

Never said I knew everything. Just expressing an opinion.

And I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence. The only reason I threw Bloomberg's name out there was his financial background and his cash. He's far from perfect.

Guy 03-05-2008 15:58

Colin Powell...
 
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Originally Posted by Shar (Post 201707)
The GOP needs a younger, conservative rock star to balance McCain. The problem is - we don't have a rock star. The biggest failing of the GOP over the last 8 years is that it has been stagnating and not grooming it's Obama.

He may not be your "ultimate" choice for a conservative however; he moves and speaks "rock" star!:D

Many of agents have been removed for looking in, rather than looking out when providing his protection.:cool:

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