Sure sounds like a lot of hearsay.

I guess you didn't hear but most SF'ers on this board hate hearsay and rumor especially from those outside of the industry.

5POINT56 you are now on thin ice.

Save your rumors and hearsay for other boards, do I make myself clear?

Now write this five hundred times:

I will never again post rumor or hearsay on Professionalsoldiers.com.


FRED

Well said Fred. Long time no see buddy.

I wouldn't and didn't.

Regardless of "what it may sound like", what I posted are facts....not rumor. A call to the company would easily verify this. Whether or not you choose to do that is up to you....but what I posted are facts. Why that would put anyone on "thin ice" is beyond me.

And I will qualify what I posted further by telling you that I had a conversation at SHOT in Jan of this year with reps from LWRC, who personally stated the same.

If you have further questions regarding my post I'd be happy to answer them in a respectful manner. I would imagine SFers on this site like up to date, relevant & accurate information and that is exactly what I posted. Why you or anyone else would immediately assume otherwise is beyond me...this is readily available information.

http:com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1030
eta: In addition .....
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepa...iston-rif.html

(See link for full article)
Kurts Kustom Firearms has a dog in the fight as well. Further reading can be found here... ( http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citym...341/176995.htm )

As stated before, LWRC's new management runs a top notch operation and produces exceptional weapons. In the future, asking me questions ahead of accusing me would be appreciated. My integrity is of no less value than yours.

Who's got the bucket of water????

Jim

Okay, let me break it down for you.

This is an SF owned and operated web site. Not yours. You are a registered guest, with no SF service that I am aware of.

You need to check how you are coming across. Several of us read "Assuming you actually were reporting on a LWRC" as a challenge to LR's statement that he was T&Eing that very same weapon. Trust me. If he reports here that he rode on a UFO yesterday, I will be in line to catch a ride myself the next day. He has been there and done that, many times over, and I would take his word as Gospel.

If you feel that you have additional information to add, or to correct what you believe to be incorrect information, especially from a QP, you need to do so in a respectful manner. I do not think that you did, and that is enough for me to tell you to tighten up your shot group. Period.

Your info may be correct. It may be valuable to some here. Nevertheless, your tone is inappropriate.

Correct it, or find somewhere else to post.

Is that clear enough for you?

TR

There has to be a logical answer. Myself and others before me, attempted to stump LR , or come up with an idea that wasn't already his. Not even close. I still hear that voice.
"Let me tell you why your idea will fail miserably, first thing is you............"

My apologies for the misunderstanding. I would never accuse anyone of being a liar without very good reason and that was by no means my intent.

The "assuming you're actually reporting on a LWRC" was said because there was a little ambiguity in his post as to the company. Maybe I misread it, maybe it was crystal clear. I simply wanted to illustrate that the comments that I was going to post were LWRC in nature and in the event the rifle in question was in fact from them, my comments would be based on that specifically, as I couldn't speak for the 416 or other piston systems out there.

I have posted absolutely nothing disrespectful on this board in any manner. If you interpreted what I wrote that way, I hope this clears that up. It was not my intent in any way. My very presence here is based out of respect for your profession....not some need to challenge it or get under anyones skin. I saw information that wasn't 100% correct and I contributed in order to inform, not to annoy.

I have little doubt LR is as good as they come...he's spoken very highly of here and he certainly has my most humble respect and appreciation...as do the rest of the QP's here.

This is not a matter of disrespect, because I have nothing but respect for the men of this board. This is not about inaccurate information/lies/rumor/hearsay...as what I posted were relevant facts to this discussion. This is apparently a matter of tone...and if my writing came across to you or anyone else here that way, I truly apologize.

I simply wanted to offer what little contribution I can to this site and I saw a chance to share what I know. It is your board, and my intent was never to be a burden in any manner here...quite the contrary. I'll step back and watch from the sidelines for a while....and again, my apologies.

5point56 - I can most assuredly tell you that they were reps from LWRC and the weapons were in fact LWRC weapons. When I get a full course press for a sales pitch, I pay attention to who is selling. Not sure what your comment concerning "Assuming you were actually reporting on a LWRC" meant but, I am not a moron and do happen to check on weapons from time to time. I do know that they sell civilian versions BUT not THIS version.

The 5.56 I played with is not on their web site at www.lwrifles.com and is presently still in development. The .308 version is talked about in their Forums section but not advertised as an item for sale due to it being preproduction. Yes 5.56 is their bread and butter but they are expanding and looking for mil contracts.

Next time you wish to inform, try informing without the attitude and a self righteous:


Been there and checked it out long before my post. Was aware of the manufacturer and the rumors long before my post. We actually discussed this during my visit with the reps. Imagine that!

Yes, your attitude, whether you meant it or not, pissed me and others off. This is a military site and I usually report on military arms, not civilian. For this post's topic I could care whether they sold 100 different civilian versions.

Nuff said!

Well guys another class graduates tomorrow and I am pooped! We have instructor training next week and then another course begins that next Monday and runs to Thanksgiving. Going to play with the new range on 37 we have and see if I can trick some more instructors with new exercises! At least I get Thanksgiving off. :D

I once called LR to ask about some something or another he had ... that I needed ... and he sat the phone down and went to look for it but couldn't find it in the office.

Dear Lord I do not want to ever be on the other end of the ass eating he gave whatever it was he was looking for and could not find.

But if he tells me to go after Moby Dick in a rowboat ... I'm bringing my tartar sauce.

I can honestly say that I echo this sentiment towards anyone with the "Quiet Professional" title.

Gosh, you're quoting defensereview.com, I guess you know your shit. You've also managed to post quotes from other unknown websites, of which I can only assume you believe what they have written are indeed facts.

Here’s a fact, you’ve no idea to whom you are speaking to when you addressed longrange1947 in your post.

Another fact, many on this board give advice to the weapons industry, not the other way around.

You managed to piss off every SF soldier reading your moronic posts and the only thing more stupid than your posts is citing defensereview.com as a credible reference. Here’s your koolaid.

Your attitude is as deficient as your internet references.

You are now gone, banned. Please feel free to take your bad self over to defensereview.com and tell david crane the Team Sergeant sent you. (Fact, he knows who I am.) You may want to brush up on that situational awareness before you log back onto this bulletin board as it’s quite apparent you never read the rules of our board.

Team Sergeant

By the way, do you wear dragonskin? Nevermind.

Let me close the loop on this, LongRange1947 knows his poop, nuff said.

My brother was one of the reps he met with, care to argue further??

Anyway to sqaush anymore internet rumors that run rampant, PLW (Paul Leitner-Wise) was a $hithead, bottom line and is gone. The current management is on top of their game and have it together. My brother is no longer the national sales rep, but is the production manager.

LR1947 is correct that the civilian version of this platform is not available, this platform is not available. The rifle that is available that is sometimes confused is the DMR, which closely mimics the capabilities of the SABR.

LongRange: glad to hear you liked it. Talked to my brother yesterday about your visit and he says he wants to come and pick your brain some. :D

To be honest, I'd like to come out to Range XX to see and learn what I could, but I'd guess that I'd need a bigger tab than what I have and a school slot from my 3 shop to do that. ;)

Folks, good things are coming out of this company. They are dedicated to providing the warfighter equipment if they can and we (myself and some in my direct command) are trying to get T&E guns in the hands of you QP's to play with at home, and down range if you are so inclined. Our Group CIF Co has a few and you can get the word directly from the source of what they like and don't like. We are doing the same with thick skin ready if needed. We are focused on LE/Mil for obvious financial reasons, but still have a Civilian sales program that is going to be better in the coming months.

Shameless plug is now over.

Sorry for the delay, been doing PLF's this week, can't wait for the 250ft tower and the plane ride out to the DZ. :lifter

Where weapons procurement is concerned ... it kind of depends on who saddled your horse whether LE guys are considered civvie or as a ride along with the military folk as far as actually getting the guns in our hands go.

These going to be available for LE Individual Officer purchase?

Was contemplating a .308 semi- for LE sniper work here in the ghetto.

A look at SHOT SHOW maybe?

I am active LE and an FFL ... whoopty do ... but will hold off on the build I had planned if something good is coming down the road that I can actually purchase without having to have it department owned.

Brian

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