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Team Sergeant 09-14-2007 09:03

Everyone makes mistakes, I remember a certain "counter-terrorist" unit boarding the wrong "ship" (anchored in the harbor) in the dead of night...... I'm sure the ship's crew wet themselves upon meeting/greeting said CT team......;)

I'd imagine for every mistake made, US LEO's make 100,000 good arrests.....;)

Team Sergeant

Deadhead 63A1 09-15-2007 16:17

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Originally Posted by 82ndtrooper (Post 182245)
"...I would hang up my badge before I go collecting anyones firearms under her tyranny"

Yeah, I'll believe that one when I see it... I'm sure the LEOs from across the nation that went to New Orleans for Katrina said the same thing at some point... :rolleyes:

mdb23 09-15-2007 17:05

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Originally Posted by Deadhead 63A1 (Post 182401)
Yeah, I'll believe that one when I see it... I'm sure the LEOs from across the nation that went to New Orleans for Katrina said the same thing at some point... :rolleyes:


I wouldn't let the actions of very few influence my perception or opinion of the hundreds of thousands of LEO's in the U.S. Also, if I am not mistaken, weren't contractors (Blackwater, LEO's on contracting gigs) responsible for many of the seizures? I read that in some LE publication, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. I could be off on that (admittedly).

We do have sh*tbags within our ranks, as does every organization. I won't deny that for a minute. But many of us are very much pro 2nd Amendment, and would in fact put down our badges rather than seize firearms from those who have not forfeited the right to own them (felons, etc.).

Take care,
MDB

The Reaper 09-15-2007 19:51

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 182415)
I'm just wondering, but does anyone know a good book or website on what exactly your rights are if something like this happens? If this had happened to me, aside from the Bill of Rights, I'd be rather clueless exactly as to what I have a right to. I need to learn this stuff.

The Miranda warning pretty much spells it out.

Are you unfamiliar with it?

You have the right to remain silent, etc.

TR

The Reaper 09-15-2007 20:41

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 182419)
AH, okay, no actually I'm not familiar enough with it, will be sure to memorize and learn it though.

Don't worry, if you need it, someone there will read it to you.

I would recommend telling them that you would like to exercise your rights not to make a statement till you have had the opportunity to consult with an attorney.

All questioning should stop at that point, but you may be heading downtown.

TR

Razor 09-15-2007 20:43

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 182365)
In Philadelphia some years ago, about a year or two after my family had moved, the people who'd been our next-door neighbors had a SWAT Team bust into their home in the middle of the night and scared the daylights out of them and the children. Turns out they were doing a drug bust, only it was like with 82ndtrooper, wrong house, the drug dealers were living in the house directly across the street (OOPS!).

I was thinking 82dtrooper was lucky it was two well-mannered Marshalls that came to his home (and he wasn't carrying) and not the above scenario. No-knock warrant services that are 'mistakes' concern me, as I know what I'd be doing if someone tried to breach my door in the wee hours, and lil' ol' me against a full SWAT team doesn't bode well for yours truly. Its happened in the past to others, and they're not around to receive their apology.

Remington Raidr 09-15-2007 21:27

Here's the short version of Miranda v Arizona
 
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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 182419)
AH, okay, no actually I'm not familiar enough with it, will be sure to memorize and learn it though.

You have the right to remain silent . . . . if you think you can stand the pain:D

82ndtrooper 09-15-2007 21:49

Update:
 
I spoke with the neighbor this afternoon. He was supposedly testifying in front of the grand jury in a case that recently shocked our little docile community. It was a domestic incident with a shooting ending in the death of a husbund whom my neighbor knew well through out his life and played golf with on a league every summer.

I had heard a rumor this week that he was a bit more friendly with this individuals wife than the normal hello's and "how ya doin" kinda relationship. :munchin

NO KNOCK WARRANTS:

I've often wondered what outcomes would result with a no-knock warrant and wrong address when a SWAT Team is involved. If I were awaken by the noise of the manual breach to the door and assumed that a home invasion robbery was about to take place I'd hate to think what would happen if I presented the muzzle of the Benelli M1 down the steps.

I suppose some one is getting shot, and it's probably me. If I were only injured and survived the encounter I'd expect a new Mercedes in the driveway by the end of the week. And a healthy bank account about the same time.

tom kelly 09-16-2007 20:04

Re:82ndTrooper,Answering door with gun in hand
 
When the Phila.Police come with a no knock warrent,they come full kit,SWAT,Highway Patrol,Narcotic Strike Force ect.Armed with shotguns.smg's,flashbangs and tear gas.With HIGH RISK TARGET,A felon who is considered armed and dangerous,They smash in the door yelling POLICE.get down on the floor,If you have what they even think is a weapon,The next call they make is to The Medical Examiner to come and get your body.(They do not drop bombs from helicopters anymore)RE The Move incident when The Honorable Wilson Goode was mayor.Lesson to be learned,if you ever come to Phila. leave you firearms at home and if you happen to be a target of a raid by the police my advice would be get on the ground immediately,DON'T pose a threat and cooperate....If by chance it is the wrong house or apartment the city will pay for the door,I don't know about if an apology will be offered.These situtations usually take place in the parts of the city known as the Badlands,and you would have no good reason to be there,It's a high crime area,open air drug corners,high murder rates (more than 260 so far this year) So if you decide to come to The City Of Brotherly Love,PM me and I will take care to let you know where you can go and where you can't.Regards ...tk

Ambush Master 09-17-2007 16:31

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 182421)
Don't worry, if you need it, someone there will read it to you.

I would recommend telling them that you would like to exercise your rights not to make a statement till you have had the opportunity to consult with an attorney.

All questioning should stop at that point, but you may be heading downtown.

TR

And.....Remember that Old Saying.....You may be able to beat the Rap, but you ain't gonna beat the Ride!!!!:D


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