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18Ddave 04-14-2016 18:35

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Originally Posted by Mills (Post 606862)
I am excited to see what happens after some chick fails to meet the standard time and time again and then is slapped with an EO or SHARP Complaint and then a Team Sergeant goes fucking nuclear on the Battalion SHARP rep (Or company since im sure those will be MTOE positions once this dumpster fire ensues).

This organization is ours.

Not appointed, unelected civilians with zero experience.

Your goddamn right brother.... even for the retired guys, its still our Regiment, our Army and our Military. The groundpounder bears the burden and we know the price of weakness and failure on the battlefield.

DIYPatriot 04-28-2016 11:31

First Female Infantry Officer
 
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When Capt. Kristen M. Griest made history last summer by becoming one of the first two women to graduate the Army’s legendarily difficult Ranger School, she made her intentions clear: She was considering joining a Special Operations unit. Now, she has accomplished another first with some similar demands: becoming the U.S. military’s first female infantry officer.

Griest, 27, requested a transfer to become an infantry officer, and it was accepted Monday, said Lt. Col. Jerry Pionk, an Army spokesman. On Thursday, she will graduate from the Maneuver Captains Career Course at Fort Benning, Ga., which teaches students how to do tactical planning for infantry companies and battalions and lead as a company commander.

“Like any other officer wishing to branch-transfer, Capt. Griest applied for an exception to Army policy to transfer from military police to infantry,” said Bob Purtiman, a spokesman for the Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning. “Her transfer was approved by the Department of the Army, and she’s now an infantry officer.”

Continued

:munchin

Pete 04-28-2016 15:46

Infantry
 
An Infantry Company Commander who has never been an Infantry Platoon Leader is going to be counseling her platoon leaders on how to do it right.

Works for the PC crowd.

cbtengr 04-28-2016 17:14

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 607702)
An Infantry Company Commander who has never been an Infantry Platoon Leader is going to be counseling her platoon leaders on how to do it right.

Works for the PC crowd.

Wouldn't you think as a West Pointer she would feel a bit sheepish about backing into this position on an exception to Army policy.

PedOncoDoc 04-28-2016 18:19

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 607706)
Wouldn't you think as a West Pointer she would feel a bit sheepish about backing into this position on an exception to Army policy.

Her actions/behaviors clearly show she has no concern so long as she gets her attention and special treatment.

Badger52 04-28-2016 19:10

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Originally Posted by cbtengr (Post 607706)
Wouldn't you think as a West Pointer she would feel a bit sheepish about backing into this position on an exception to Army policy.

Army policy is just published words. She's not an exception, she's just what they're looking for. No way that wasn't going to be approved; these days a negative endorsement on something like that would get you PCS'd to supervise tree cutting on Shemya.

:rolleyes:

Razor 04-28-2016 21:01

Actually, according to the 05 Apr 16 MILPER msg 16-096, she received 3 exceptions to policy:

1) Applicants were supposed to be from YG 14 or 15; CPT Griest is YG 11, 3 years too late according to this standard

2) Applicants were supposed to attend IN or AR BOLC; CPT Griest just finished the MCCC, which is not a comparable course by any standard

3) Applicants were supposed to complete a minimum of 1 year of IN or AR PL time before attending MCCC; as noted above, CPT Griest did not serve as an IN PL for any length of time before being allowed to attend MCCC--the third standard that was waived for her

So, while the SECDEF, CSA and everyone else in the chain of command continue to insist that standards will not be lowered, that is exactly what happened in this precedence-setting, 'historic' event, x3.

Standards! Huh! Good Good y'all...what are they good for? Absolutely nothing; say it again!

Pete 04-29-2016 03:47

YG 11
 
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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 607723)
...1) Applicants were supposed to be from YG 14 or 15; CPT Griest is YG 11, 3 years too late according to this standard.....

When is YG 11's first look for Major?

I ask because it would seem she is 3 years behind her soon to be "peers". Haven't they done their Platoon Leader, Company Commander time and moved on to a staff position?

A person would think her records wouldn't look that good to a board. Well, except for the "first female" part.

ddoering 04-29-2016 07:14

I'm sure the picture will make up for any deficiencies in her records.

Box 04-29-2016 08:23

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 607736)
When is YG 11's first look for Major?

I ask because it would seem she is 3 years behind her soon to be "peers". Haven't they done their Platoon Leader, Company Commander time and moved on to a staff position?

A person would think her records wouldn't look that good to a board. Well, except for the "first female" part.

She has no "peers"

xollie316 04-29-2016 08:31

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glebo 04-29-2016 10:07

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Originally Posted by xollie316 (Post 607754)
Her board will meet in 2020 with a possibility for below the zone in 2019. I'm sure she will be a stellar candidate for it as well.

She's not far behind her YG however. I'm 2008 and still in my KD time on an ODA.

I can't imagine being her young gung-ho infantry PLs being assigned to her tutelage, knowing full well they can't question it, complain, or do anything but support it lest they jeopardize their young careers. Getting their formations to respect her will be termed a 'leadership challenge' and its one I do not envy them for.

Ahh, those pesky 2d and 3d order effect things...I'm sure the senior leadership thought that out.....said no one EVER...

DIYPatriot 04-29-2016 10:40

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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach (Post 607753)
She has no "peers"

By the time Ash Carter gets finished, I'm sure she'll have plenty of peers.

ETA:

My wife and another colleague of hers (both are soon to be O3), were approached at the early part of the year and encouraged/asked if they would like to transfer to IN or AR. Both said no. Talked to my wife about that and her sentiments were, "I enlisted as an MP, cut my teeth on all-things MP then crossed over to the dark side and I'm an XO in an MP Co. I have no clue how IN or any other branch operates - what sense does it make to transfer as an O3 with zero time in combat arms??? I'm not going to be part of their experiment."

Some get it.

tom kelly 04-29-2016 12:01

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY????
 
First Female Ranger to become the CO of an Airborne BCT? or even better The first female Ranger to be the CO of a SF Group.....There is no limit to PC BULLSHIT. JUST LOOK AT THE H C Campaign, NEVER MENTIONS THE FBI INVESTIGATION; IF THE FBI DIRECTOR RECOMMENDS A + NUMBER OF COUNT INDICTMENTS; WILL THE AG GO ALONG & HAVE HER ARRESTED? ......tom kelly

pcfixer 04-29-2016 13:16

Political correctness in military with women in combat or combat leader roles is very dangerous.


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