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tonyz 05-03-2013 08:14

Barry in Mexico yesterday...no mention of F&F (this is my shocked face) a continuation of his May Day dance.

Obama vows to keep at gun control: 'This is just the first round'
By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News


President Barack Obama vowed Thursday during a trip to Mexico to continue pushing for new, tighter gun control rules in the United States, saying his proposals’ recent defeat in Congress was “just the first round.”

Speaking following a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, whose country has been ravaged by gang violence supported in part by gun trafficking into Mexico, Obama vowed to return to the issue of gun control in the United States.

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http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...rst-round?lite

sinjefe 05-03-2013 08:22

One has to be especially delusional to say something like that with F&F in your resume. Seriously nutty. We have the Mad Hatter for President.

Badger52 05-03-2013 16:45

Meanwhile in Dover, DE and Talla-DE-ga...
 
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In spite of a Dick Dastardly-style attempt by the Southern Poverty Law Center to spread the tar of hate accusations on the track before them, Oath Keepers exceeded their fundraising goal of $30,000 by over half late Wednesday, burying the needle and succeeding in sponsoring their car for a June 1 NASCAR race in Dover, Del.

“We are now not only all set for the June 1, Dover race, but are now also half way to our next goal, which will be sponsoring Jeffrey Earnhardt in a July 14, 2013 race in New Hampshire (Live Free Or Die!),” the group of current and retired military, law enforcement and firefighters announced on its website. Members pledge to put their oath to the Constitution over all else, and list orders they will not obey, including orders to disarm their fellow Americans.

LINK to rest of the story.

Here's a pic of the Fastwax/Jeff Earnhardt car.

MR2 05-03-2013 18:02

"I plead the 2nd"

tonyz 05-03-2013 19:24

You can't make this shit up - Obama uses Chicago violence to push for more gun control. Chicago is one of the most heavily regulated cities in America when it comes to gun ownership.

Perhaps, this sideshow should meet with the thugs doing the actual shooting to discuss their gun control.

Next stop Organizing for Action - Benghazi - to discuss Barry's theories on crowd control.

Obama Campaign Uses Chicago Violence to Push for Gun Control
Weekly Standard
2:12 PM, MAY 3, 2013 • BY DANIEL HALPER

In a petition emailed today to supporters, Organizing for Action, President Obama's former campaign group, uses violence in Chicago to push for more gun control.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...l_720602.html#


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Organizing for Action
Statement of Purpose
Organizing for Action is a nonprofit organization established to support President Obama in achieving enactment of the national agenda Americans voted for on Election Day 2012. OFA will advocate for these policies throughout the country and will mobilize citizens of all parties and diverse points of view to speak out for speedy passage and effective implementation of this program, including gun control, sensible environmental policies to address climate change and immigration reform. In addition, OFA will encourage the formation of chapters that will be dedicated at the grassroots level to this program, but also committed to identifying and working progressive change on a range of issues at the state and local level. In carrying its work, OFA will operate as a "social welfare" organization within the meaning of section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code.

http://www.barackobama.com/about/abo...rce=footer-nav

grog18b 05-03-2013 19:36

Only the first round, huh Barry? Well, We the People, are in for the long fight. We have started recalling Senators, and will continue to recall, vote out of office, impeach, or whatever we have to do to fix this problem...


How pathetic a person do you have to be to try to convince people that gun control actually works at all? How pathetic do you have to be to believe that gun control actually works at all?

Answer: See Diane Feinstein.

tonyz 05-04-2013 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004 (Post 505195)
On that whole "90% support" bit:

1) 90% of Americans may favor universal background checks, but that doesn't mean 90% support the particular bill that was shelved. A majority support lots of things, for example cutting government spending, creating a balanced budget, etc...but when it comes to the actual implementation of those things, it's a wholly different ballgame.


2) Just because 90% of Americans may support a measure does not mean that the government is supposed to enact it. Universal background checks cannot be enforced without creating a federal gun registry, and historically, gun registries have always been the precursor to gun confiscation, which happened in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina and Governor Cuomo and Senator Feinstein have talked about doing it. We are a republic, in which the system is supposed to protect the rights of the majority from the minority but also the rights of the minority from the majority as well.


3) Most people do not have the requisite knowledge required to appropriately answer questions regarding gun control issues. Many may not realize what they are saying as a result.

Good points Broadsword2004 thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Colion Noir has a video (below) on the topic of the mythical 90%.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=YuvCT...%3DYuvCTZ9XtrM

If universal background checks (as the legislation was actually written) truly had 90% support in the Harry Reid led Senate it would have been a slam dunk to pass that legislative body.

A google search of push/pull polling provides additional insight on many opinion polls.

There are lies, there are damn lies and then there is Obama.

Badger52 05-04-2013 17:41

Hi-Viz Hits the Road
 
Neither knee in the CO governor's mansion could be reached for comment, since they're exhausted from jerking. Hi-Viz heads from CO to Laramie, WY.

LINK to full story here.

Badger52 05-05-2013 12:17

Pretty good essay from the Hawkeye state
 
A tiny snippet:
Quote:

Death by a thousand cuts

Gun people don’t trust anti-gun people because anti-gunners always talk about 90 percent of Americans supporting this gun control measure, or 65 percent supporting that one, as if a majority opinion is what truly matters in America. We don’t trust anti-gun people because you think America is a democracy, when it’s actually a constitutional federal republic. In the American system, the rights of a single individual are what matters and are what our system is designed to protect. The emotional mob does not rule in America.
Link to full story.

BigJimCalhoun 05-05-2013 14:33

I was just going to post that article, but you beat me to it. It is a great one.

GratefulCitizen 05-05-2013 17:22

Have a feeling this either won't come to fruition or the numbers will be small.
The government response will be watched carefully.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn...ice-we-wont-be

BKKMAN 05-07-2013 15:50

Two New Reports: Gun Homicides Down Since 1990s
 
Gun Homicides Down

Interesting points from the article:

Quote:

A study released Tuesday by the government's Bureau of Justice Statistics found that gun-related homicides dropped from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011. That's a 39 percent reduction.
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Another report by the private Pew Research Center found a similar decline by looking at the rate of gun homicides, which compares the number of killings to the size of the country's population. It found that the number of gun homicides per 100,000 people fell from 7 in 1993 to 3.6 in 2010, a drop of 49 percent.
But the MSM's continuous glorification and politicization of each gun-related incident, coupled with their demonization and villification of law-abiding gun owners leaves us with this sobering statistic from the Pew Poll:

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But perhaps because of the intense publicity generated by recent mass shootings such as the December massacre of 20 school children and six educators in Newtown, Conn., the public seems to have largely not noticed the reductions in gun violence, the Pew study shows.

The non-partisan group said a poll it conducted in March showed that 56 percent of people believe the number of gun crimes is higher than it was two decades ago. Only 12 percent said they think the number of gun crimes is lower, while the rest said they think it remained the same or didn't know.

The only way that a majority of the population can arrive at the opinion that gun crimes have risen in the last two decades is through the duplicity of the MSM, who have abdicated all vestiges of their journalistic responsibilities as members of the "4th Estate" at the altar of partisan politics...

Pew Research Article

Bureau of Justice Link

Badger52 05-07-2013 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKKMAN (Post 505828)
The only way that a majority of the population can arrive at the opinion that gun crimes have risen in the last two decades is through the duplicity of the MSM, who have abdicated all vestiges of their journalistic responsibilities as members of the "4th Estate" at the altar of partisan politics...

Pretty fair indictment, which is what it is.

The Reaper 05-07-2013 19:28

So, Dr. John Lott would appear to be correct.

TR

tonyz 05-08-2013 15:06

Total NICS Background Checks November 30, 1998 - April 30, 2013

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...als-033113.pdf

Badger52 05-08-2013 16:56

Does it go "boom" and you made it?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 506002)
Total NICS Background Checks November 30, 1998 - April 30, 2013

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...als-033113.pdf

In the future, the Lautenberg "permit to reload" bill here.

Read carefully, and note again the way the AG inserts itself into the permission process, and the criteria.

tonyz 05-08-2013 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 506019)
In the future, the Lautenberg "permit to reload" bill here.

Read carefully, and note again the way the AG inserts itself into the permission process, and the criteria.

"The Attorney General shall issue guidelines describing the circumstances under which the Attorney General will exercise the authority and make determinations..."

Chuckie Schumer is now a co-sponsor.

I feel safer already.

Stiletto11 05-08-2013 20:06

I worry that my son might not understand what I've tried to be. And if I were to be killed, Willard, I would want someone to go to my home and tell my son everything – everything I did, everything you saw – because there's nothing that I detest more than the stench of lies. And if you understand me, Willard, you will do this for me.:lifter and they thought Kurtz was nuts, Ha.

The Reaper 05-08-2013 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiletto11 (Post 506046)
I worry that my son might not understand what I've tried to be. And if I were to be killed, Willard, I would want someone to go to my home and tell my son everything – everything I did, everything you saw – because there's nothing that I detest more than the stench of lies. And if you understand me, Willard, you will do this for me.:lifter and they thought Kurtz was nuts, Ha.

Wrong thread? :D

TR

tonyz 05-09-2013 06:25

A powerful message for more than 10 rounds
 
A friend forwarded this YouTube PSA to me this morning.

I think that the producer meant to say standard capacity magazines rather than high capacity magazines - at least he did not call them "clips" - if the libs own the lanaguage they often own the argument.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7F1nP...%3D7F1nPSNnaBo

miclo18d 05-09-2013 09:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 506061)
A friend forwarded this YouTube PSA to me this morning.

I think that the producer meant to say standard capacity magazines rather than high capacity magazines - at least he did not call them "clips" - if the libs own the lanaguage they often own the argument.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=7F1nP...%3D7F1nPSNnaBo

You say own the language and yet you pigeon-hole your magazine argument. Standard capacity implies a standard amount [if the libs get their way the "standard" will be low, say 7 0r 10 rounds]. who sets the "standard"?

I want HIGH capacity magazines! The higher the better! No one in combat ever says they carried too much ammo! Not only do I want high capacity magazines, I want a lot of them!

Own the language of Hi-Cap mags! Libs can try to label them "assault mags" or "death clips" for all I care but we should take back the language!


High Capacity Magazines Save Lives!!!!


Now back to your regularly scheduled argument!

tonyz 05-09-2013 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by miclo18d (Post 506076)
You say own the language and yet you pigeon-hole your magazine argument. Standard capacity implies a standard amount [if the libs get their way the "standard" will be low, say 7 0r 10 rounds]. who sets the "standard"?

I want HIGH capacity magazines! The higher the better! No one in combat ever says they carried too much ammo! Not only do I want high capacity magazines, I want a lot of them!

Own the language of Hi-Cap mags! Libs can try to label them "assault mags" or "death clips" for all I care but we should take back the language!


High Capacity Magazines Save Lives!!!!


Now back to your regularly scheduled argument!

High capacity, standard capacity...as long as the magazines hold more than 10 rounds and free, law abiding citizens can own, use and transfer them - I'm in.

ETA: IMO, standard capacity for a Glock 19 magazine is commonly 15 rounds - high capacity is 33 rounds and restricted magazine capacity is 10 rounds.

miclo18d 05-09-2013 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 506079)
High capacity, standard capacity...as long as the magazines hold more than 10 rounds and free, law abiding citizens can own, use and transfer them - I'm in.

ETA: IMO, standard capacity for a Glock 19 magazine is commonly 15 rounds - high capacity is 33 rounds and restricted magazine capacity is 10 rounds.

I think you're onto something! The current administration is trying to make us use a RESTRICTED MAGAZINE! Make them look like the Nazis they are by restricting our rights!

Badger52 05-09-2013 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 506079)
- high capacity is 33 rounds -

Don't EVEN be thinkin' about reachin' for my standard-size G18 Pez dispensers. :D

tonyz 05-09-2013 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badger52 (Post 506165)
Don't EVEN be thinkin' about reachin' for my standard-size G18 Pez dispensers. :D

Lol..."hurricane sticks" - they do provide a nice - easy to carry - ready to go package of 9mm goodness. ;)

Stobey 05-09-2013 21:48

A SPECIAL KIND OF STUPID
 
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TO THOSE WHO THINK GUN CONTROL STOPS CRIME:

Dusty 05-10-2013 06:30

"I really think I'm going to be getting a gun to protect myself."
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ock:Position14

A pack of up to four pit bull terriers has been blamed for the death of a jogger in rural Los Angeles, with officials warning on Thursday that the dogs remained on the loose.

Sheriff's Lieutenant John Corina said a woman in a car saw the dogs attacking the female jogger, 63, on Thursday morning. The witness called police and blew her car horn to try to get the dogs to stop.

"When the first deputy on scene saw one dog still attacking the woman, he tried to chase the dog away," Corina said. "The dog ran off into the desert, then turned around and attacked the deputy, the deputy fired a round at the dog and tried to kill the dog, and the dog took off into the desert."

The woman died while she was in an ambulance on the way to a hospital, said Evelina Villa, county animal control spokeswoman.

The coroner's office was investigating to determine the cause of death.

Sheriff's officials were alerting people in the area to watch for four tan-coloured dogs and were were using a helicopter to search for them. It was unclear whether the dogs had collars or owners.

"In these areas you might have a situation where people dump animals out in rural areas," said John Mlynar, a spokesman for the nearby city of Palmdale. He haad never heard of an attack like Thursday's, Mlynar said.

Residents near the site of the attack said stray dogs were constantly roaming the area and had attacked people before.

"It's really scary," Diane Huffman, of Littlerock, told KABC-TV. "I don't know what to think. I really think I'm going to be getting a gun to protect myself."

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ddoering 05-10-2013 07:31

Sorry but she can only have one if she joins a state recognized militia.

tonyz 05-10-2013 15:55

Was there really any doubt as to their intent?

Open mike reveals N.J. senators’ contempt for gun owners, confiscation goal

GUN RIGHTS
MAY 10, 2013
BY: DAVID CODREA
Examiner.com

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A microphone left on after the gavel fell at a New Jersey Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee hearing Thursday shows the “true view” of some of the senators toward gun owners, and provides proof that gun confiscation is a goal on which they agree, the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs revealed in an email to members and supporters today.

Among the lines heard in the recording:

"We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.”

"They don’t care about the bad guys. All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them.”


ETA link to audio below:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature...layer_embedded

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http://www.examiner.com/article/open...alerts_article

sinjefe 05-10-2013 16:38

These "anointed ones" hold the rest of us in contempt. They only hide it when trying to get elected but the mask slips when the cameras aren't around (or they think they aren't). The storm is coming.

BKKMAN 05-11-2013 01:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinjefe (Post 506296)
These "anointed ones" hold the rest of us in contempt. They only hide it when trying to get elected but the mask slips when the cameras aren't around (or they think they aren't). The storm is coming.

Yes. Yes it is.

Badger52 05-26-2013 18:39

KS Teacher Carrying faces prison/job loss
 
Sounds like Mr. Nagel (and some some supportive parents of students) are OK with a page from reality - except for that darn law.
(And he gets paid a hellluva lot less than Lois Lerner.)

Complete story here (2 pgs, read it all)

Includes a pretty damning assessment of a w i d e -open school from a security standpoint. Ok, you hand-wringing, ostrich-headed politicos, you want to dance on the blood of children; how many does it take until you understand that you can't wish away the monsters in the world?

swatsurgeon 05-29-2013 07:55

that video is spot on....handguns are not great 'stoppers' and as we all know until the shot person bleeds enough to stop being a threat, multiple holes make them bleeed faster unless you get a great head shot.....unlikely under stress for the average armed civilian.

Team Sergeant 05-29-2013 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by swatsurgeon (Post 508820)
that video is spot on....handguns are not great 'stoppers' and as we all know until the shot person bleeds enough to stop being a threat, multiple holes make them bleeed faster unless you get a great head shot.....unlikely under stress for the average armed civilian.

He needs to do another video for the "non-believers". I'd recommend he do a video of average police shootings from around the country where average "Joe/Josephine Cop" empties their high capacity magazine in almost "every" gunfight.:munchin

MR2 05-29-2013 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant (Post 508835)
He needs to do another video for the "non-believers". I'd recommend he do a video of average police shootings from around the country where average "Joe/Josephine Cop" empties their high capacity magazine in almost "every" gunfight.:munchin

Excellent point - you can contact him here: Link

Give him some background, mention The Letter, make your suggestion. Maybe offer to help with a video showing liberal fantasy (you shooting) and reality (cops shooting).

98G 05-29-2013 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR2 (Post 508850)
Excellent point - you can contact him here: Link

Give him some background, mention The Letter, make your suggestion. Maybe offer to help with a video showing liberal fantasy (you shooting) and reality (cops shooting).

Exactly! Of all the misunderstandings I have heard from non-military sources, this is probably the most frequently expressed. Non gun owners cannot fathom that every shot does not land where intended. I just ask them to spend a day at a range and observe. I have them watch these people who practice and are not under threat. That usually opens their eyes to a small dose of reality. I do not usually hear anything more about magazine size. Also, they encounter well mannered, polite people at the range - again, not what they are expecting.

pcfixer 05-30-2013 09:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinjefe (Post 506296)
These "anointed ones" hold the rest of us in contempt. They only hide it when trying to get elected but the mask slips when the cameras aren't around (or they think they aren't). The storm is coming.


Agreed. Here is Maryland now you wait up to 90+ days after the purchase of
a pistol to get a "not denied" stamp. What last year was 7 days, as by Md law.

Gun owners mad as hell.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...nning-40-days/


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