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Paslode 09-26-2011 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdret1 (Post 415922)
Eventually, this will be traced to the very top. I firmly believe Holder was fully in the loop, as well as BHO. There is no way a regional office could give approval of an operation that was so clearly against ATF regs and NFA laws.


Considering that back in 2009 BHO and Holder (along with Clinton and Napolitano) were out promoting the idea that 90% of the Mexican weapons came from US sources and pushing for additional weapons laws......it is not only quite likely it went top, but they may also have committed fraud, intimidated witnesses, been accessories to murder and conspired to usurp US Law.

It is sad.

Badger52 09-26-2011 14:28

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 415933)
Considering that back in 2009 BHO and Holder (along with Clinton and Napolitano) were out promoting the idea that 90% of the Mexican weapons came from US sources and pushing for additional weapons laws......it is not only quite likely it went top, but they may also have committed fraud, intimated witnesses, been accessories to murder and conspired to usurp US Law.

It is sad.

Indeed sir. A sitting Secretary of State doesn't make such an assertion, while boots on ground in a host-nation under the auspices of a state visit, arm-in-arm with the hosting head of state, without that verbiage having been cleared at THE highest level.

afchic 09-26-2011 14:49

Just read a news report on Fox where they claim to havee paperwork that shows taxpayer money was being used to purchase weapons.

The Reaper 09-26-2011 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdret1 (Post 415922)
Eventually, this will be traced to the very top. I firmly believe Holder was fully in the loop, as well as BHO. There is no way a regional office could give approval of an operation that was so clearly against ATF regs and NFA laws.

I agree.

They even dragged the FBI into it. Again. :D

TR

Badger52 09-27-2011 07:18

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Originally Posted by afchic (Post 415946)
Just read a news report on Fox where they claim to havee paperwork that shows taxpayer money was being used to purchase weapons.

Yes ma'am. That story is right back there, at post #164.

tonyz 09-27-2011 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 415933)
Considering that back in 2009 BHO and Holder (along with Clinton and Napolitano) were out promoting the idea that 90% of the Mexican weapons came from US sources and pushing for additional weapons laws......it is not only quite likely it went top, but they may also have committed fraud, intimidated witnesses, been accessories to murder and conspired to usurp US Law.

It is sad.

Spot on - and it is what I have believed from the beginning - that Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and thousands of other innocents (mostly, but not all, Mexican Nationals) died partly because of THIS REGIME'S political objectives regarding its anti-2A stance.

If true, being thrown out of office is the least that should happen. And yes, the WH, DOJ and State need to be examined closely. The walking of guns in the manner that has been described in public hearings, suggests, to me, a wanton disregard for human life.

Considering the sounds that were emanating from the very top of those ivory towers regarding US guns fueling border/Mexican violence - Obama, Holder and Hillary (and their staffs) were either complicit in walking guns across the border or stupid and unacceptably naïve.

The main stream media has also been complicit by not drilling down to pressure this regime to investigate and release every detail possible without endangering lives.

Now the regime has Solyandra…half a billion very green dollars up in smoke later - luckily no one died - but they "didn’t know"…again. And, Solyndra also fit this regime’s very specific political agenda.

Either this regime is one of the more corrupt - ever - or arguably one of the more incompetent administrations - ever. Maybe both.

Roll on November 6, 2012.

tonyz 09-28-2011 07:38

Sen. Chuck Grassley interview w/Greta in case some missed it..."...wouldn't surprise me if this goes to the top..."

http://video.foxnews.com/v/118428812...-drug-cartels/

Paslode 09-28-2011 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 416093)
The main stream media has also been complicit by not drilling down to pressure this regime to investigate and release every detail possible without endangering lives.

That is what they get paid to do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 416093)
Now the regime has Solyandra…half a billion very green dollars up in smoke later - luckily no one died - but they "didn’t know"…again. And, Solyndra also fit this regime’s very specific political agenda.

Either this regime is one of the more corrupt - ever - or arguably one of the more incompetent administrations - ever. Maybe both.

From insider trading and Donor/Supporter payoffs, that happens on both sides of the Red/Blue fence in a big way and is the status quo in DC.

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Originally Posted by tonyz (Post 416093)
Roll on November 6, 2012.

Well I hope we get there, but when ideas like this (Dusty's thread) keep popping up....Alex Jones may beat the odds be proven correct. And if we do make it 11/6 and BHO is kicked to the curb....there is a growing chance of street party with chains and ax handles.

tonyz 09-28-2011 11:30

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 416322)
From insider trading and Donor/Supporter payoffs, that happens on both sides of the Red/Blue fence in a big way and is the status quo in DC.

Agreed. The status quo (in DC) needs to go.

Allen West, Marco Rubio (and others that I am not as familiar with) are a strong start for some real change in DC.

Odds are, despite the noise, we will make make it to November 6, 2012.

Then, the real work begins - IMO, the deep cutting that must be done in DC will be necessary, but quite painful. But, that's for another thread.

Those currently in DC who are responsible for this fiasco must be held to answer for their apparent negligence in this matter.

Keep the faith.

Surf n Turf 09-29-2011 11:51

MEXICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL: "OBAMA MORE INVOLVED IN FAST & FURIOUS THAN ADMITTED!"
 
This might “force” some congressional action.
SnT

MEXICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL: "OBAMA MORE INVOLVED IN FAST & FURIOUS THAN ADMITTED!"

In a statement released by Mexican Attorney General Marisela Morales, she called Operation Fast and Furious “an attack on Mexicans’ security.
Morales told Mexican reporters that she is demanding a full and honest explanation from the United States government especially since evidence is being gathered that reveals the Obama administration was more involved in Operation Fast and Furious than top officials admitted in their sworn statements.
Morales said that if U.S. federal officials were involved, it would be a “betrayal” of Mexico.
Tens of thousands of Mexicans have been killed since the "war on drugs" began in 2006. Almost weekly, Mexican authorities are finding mass graves of those murdered by the cartels.
http://www.thecypresstimes.com/artic...ADMITTED/51146

Mycroft 09-29-2011 13:24

Forbes now has a 6 page breakdown of Operation Fast and Furious with a decent explained timeline of events.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...mas-watergate/

rdret1 09-29-2011 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mycroft (Post 416533)
Forbes now has a 6 page breakdown of Operation Fast and Furious with a decent explained timeline of events.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...mas-watergate/

Pretty much what most of us here have been saying from the get-go.

BigJimCalhoun 09-29-2011 18:23

Ironically, no outrage yet from the Brady people or the Violence Policy Center. If it really was about violence, they would care...

Paslode 09-29-2011 19:56

Nice to see others in the media taking on the story, however this paragraph is BS.

Quote:

the National Rifle Association has been on top of this story from the beginning.
It is widely beleived that it was the BLOG CleanupATF.org that got this ball rolling and it has been BLOGGERS most notably David Cordera and Mike Vanderboegh were the on top of this from the beginning. The NRA didn't even recognize the story until Friday, March 25, 2011.

And by chance Mr. Vanderboegh set a few facts straight today in a related topic.

Pete 10-01-2011 03:29

New Fast and Furious docs released by White House
 
New Fast and Furious docs released by White House

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...-10391695.html

"WASHINGTON - Late Friday, the White House turned over new documents in the Congressional investigation into the ATF "Fast and Furious" gunwalking scandal.

The documents show extensive communications between then-ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix office Bill Newell - who led Fast and Furious - and then-White House National Security Staffer Kevin O'Reilly. Emails indicate the two also spoke on the phone. Such detailed, direct communications between a local ATF manager in Phoenix and a White House national security staffer has raised interest among Congressional investigators looking into Fast and Furious. Newell has said he and O'Reilly are long time friends....................."

What did "HE" know and when did he know it? Seems to be the key question these days.


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