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First three pics appear to be a Jap frag grenade, pin intact.

The lineup looks like a stripper clip of Jap 7.7mm rifle rounds, next looks like a portion of a cartridge case (could tell more easily with close-up or other end), the grenade, two fuses, a nose cone (may contain a fuse), and the last two items are beyond my photo analysis capability.

Nice shots and great history lesson.

TR

This is a good site with a program to ID UXO and Ordance.

ORDATA II

Must 18Cs where getting CD-ROM as "Take-away" but from what I can tell not anymore. We passed this out to students as one of them. 18Cs can't get the 60 series so this is the next best. I guess :confused: Ask your Post EOD units and you'll be surprised Charles of what they will "pass" out to you. Just have to ask.

Join training is great too!! :lifter

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Originally Posted by The Reaper (Post 190089)

I would not be moving that stuff around if it were not my job, but you are the one who has his ass on the line. What do you think usually causes the UXO to blow and injure civilians?

Grenades that have been activated and dudded are very bad, as are any munitions with a pizeo-electric type fuze (usually PIBD fuzed rounds).

The 5"/38 round in question does not look that much different from the previous one, other than placement, what made it so dangerous?

One M-112 Charge Block of C-4 should be sufficient, if properly placed, not sure why the first did not work, unless it were misplaced or not directly in contact with the UXO. I have seen several 155mm rounds blown with single blocks, and the 5"/38 is smaller.

What it above the smoke plume in the last photo? Looks like a tire carcass. Did they put something over it as a tamp or damper? Maybe a bomb blanket?

TR

Reaper,
I agree with your assessment 100%! No attempt to move this item should have been made and absolutely no attempt at a high-order detonation since civilians were in the area!

While a low-order det with a Baldrick could have been attempted, the SAFEST method would have been a low-order det using a Vulcan Disrupter. A magnesium disk is shot into the explosive cavity at its weakest point. The disk begins a slow burn on the explosive fill. There would be a requirement to build a surround encompassing the target just in case there is an unintended high-order det.

After the explosive fill is burned, a Baldrick could then be used to detonate the fuse of the device.

We used this technique with great success in the Balkans. There are other ways to remove this item, but IMHO, this is the safest under peacetime conditions.

BTW: Gladan, did you know your name means "hungry" in Serbian?

:rolleyes:Sorry - duplicate post. I can't figure out how to delete it.

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Originally Posted by ODA 226 (Post 191876)

Agree with all of the above. If you can't order any premade charges or Disrupter or "flares" then think about shaping your C-4 into Shape charges. Simple Ways and the lower the amount of C-4 you need. I'll look on the need for a book that you can maybe order. Maybe somewhere like Ebay may have one or two. Seem them before on there.

BTW - Love reading and looking through your post Gladan! Dobar Veche svetlo...

HELP - is this UXO - your professional opinion please!

Okay 18C name the below on this munition.

Name the following:
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What weapon "fires" this warhead.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?
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CAT: DROPPED

SUBCAT: SUBMUNTION

TYPE: HEAT

FUZE: IMPACT INERTIA

SAFETIES: HE FRAG MOVE FIRE JET WT

that is for the yellow submuntion

for best results..

If possible, show me a picture with a measuring tape along side. As well as any markings that it may show. If for some reason I can't give you an exact answer, I can narrow it down to about three items.

I can also do this with any piece of ordnance seen since about the Civil War.