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Looking at this through a different lense, many of these groups amount to peasants harming other peasants or invaders harming the peasants.
When they challenge authority, their rage can usually be redirected towards other peasants.

This sort of thing can be brought under control.

The Bundys didn't harm other peasants.
They consistently defied the nobility, and demonstrated actual ability to rally a small peasant army.

This sort of thing can grow, and then take a very bad turn.

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie (Post 604027)

You need to STFU and drink the kool aid. Islam is a peaceful religion and if it was not for the years of oppression by these white terrorist like the bundys the religion of peace and black lives matter crowd would not be forced to do the things they do.

It would be so much easier to swallow this load of bull if I had been indoctrinated through Common Core :D

https://www.oathkeepers.org/10100-2/

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It is still the belief of many that the ultimate goal of the BLM, and other federal agencies, is to force the Hammonds to turn over their lands, and the mineral rights, to the government.

The rally on January 2 was a peaceful rally. However, at the end of the day, a group led by Ammon Bundy, son of famed Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, secured the Malheur Wildlife Refuge and began an occupation of the property. Aided by many, including Arizona rancher Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, the group began to call themselves the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom (C4CF).

Though the protest began about the Hammonds, it soon morphed into a referendum against the BLM and other Federal agencies. The occupiers felt the need to educate the public about the vast overreach of the Federal government.

US Constitution, Article I, Sec. 8, Clause 17 states, The Congress shall have power: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.

This was their message, the United States Constitution. The belief that the Constitution was the supreme law of the land, and the belief that the Constitution was worth defending.

The C4CF continued to frequent businesses in Burns. Spending their money and supporting the town, they spoke with as many as would sit and talk to them.

There were not many residents in the beginning that were pleased with the take over of the refuge. Though most understood the basic message that Bundy’s group was sharing, they were unused to citizen action in this form. Civil disobedience was not a concept they were comfortable with.

Burns is a small town in a slightly populated county in rural eastern Oregon. The local government controls nearly all aspects of life. They employ a great amount of the residents. Judge Steve Grasty is the man that holds the strings throughout the area.

When the occupation began Judge Grasty reacted. He began by locking down the courthouse. He had barricades placed to surround the building, and armed guards patrolled the grounds. He forbade anyone to enter on what he considered ‘unnecessary’ business.

A resident told me they wished to go into the courthouse to research some documents for their property. They were forbidden. Normal, everyday business in the courthouse has come to a halt.

The residents decided they needed to hear what Bundy had to say, so they could decide afterwards how they felt about it. They requested the use of a county building for this purpose. First, they requested the use of the main building at their fairgrounds. The request was denied by Judge Grasty. They requested the use of the Senior Center in town and this request was also denied by Grasty.

He made a public statement at a community meeting on January 19, 2016 saying that Bundy was promoting criminal activity, therefore any group that wanted him to speak would not be allowed access to a county facility.

This did not go over well with residents. Regardless of whether they agreed with Bundy’s message, they did not appreciate being censored by Grasty as to whether or not they should be free to assemble and hear whom they chose.

There were people that suggested a work around, “Just meet at someone’s home.” This may sound like a viable solution, yet it does not solve the issue of their right to Freely Assemble, as guaranteed by the Constitution.

Many residents were livid. They saw it as a blatant disregard of their civil rights, including their right to free speech. This action by Judge Grasty lost him quite a lot of support that he previously enjoyed.

The scales were tipping in favor of the protesters.

Several residents held a rally on the streets of Burns. This rally was not about the Refuge. It was not about Bundy or his group. This rally was strictly for residents, by residents, about the civil rights they felt were being denied.

Many of the protesters were still afraid to speak on camera. They cited retaliation by the local government, and Judge Grasty, against their families, as a very real fear.
....more .......

Seems to me these men are American patriots standing up for their civil and constitutional rights. The BLM is like any other government entity of 3 letters.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2016/02/oa...uge-and-mines/

I listened today for a couple of hours as the last of the four who were held up at the Oregon Wildlife refuge left. It was an intense time as David Fry, after almost two hours, came out with his friends. However, behind the scenes, things are taking a very strange twist. In an exclusive interview with Jason Van Tatenhove, media director for Oathkeepers, he told Freedom Outpost that there have been reports of 68 warrants against Americans who stood alongside Cliven Bundy in Nevada in 2014 and several involved in standing between the Bureau of Land Management and the Sugar Pine Mine.

Van Tatenhove said that Oathkeepers were in the process of seeking to confirm the number of indictments and may have that information available later on Thursday's broadcast of NorthWest Liberty News with Jim White and Tim Brown at 4pm EST.

"We are trying to verify this information through intelligence sources with deep contacts DHS and whatnot… there are 68 new warrants stemming back through Bundy Ranch and the other mine operations," Van Tatenhove said. "We're trying to reach out to the FBI to confirm."

Van Tatenhove has an interest in these warrants as he stood at Bundy Ranch in 2014 against the BLM siege with the Bundys.

Additionally, during our interview, Jason was able to provide me with current information. In addition to Cliven Bundy being arrested in Oregon on Wednesday evening, Blaine Cooper was also arrested on Thursday morning in Springdale, Utah. Cooper, as you may recall, referred to Senator John McCain as a traitor during a townhall meeting.

If that was not enough, reports are that Victoria Sharp's family's house has been surrounded by agents. Sharp, as you may recall, provided eyewitness testimony of the murder of LaVoy Finicum and also said that over one hundred shots were fired into their vehicle in an attempt to kill the occupants.

Two other persons were arrested in Mesquite on Wednesday. From the information that Van Tatenhove shared with me, "Skipper," who has been at Bundy Ranch as Cliven Bundy's bodyguard since October and another man referred to as "Joker Jay" met in a Wal-mart parking lot around 9:10pm on Wednesday. Sources tell us that the men arrived in separate vehicles and were tackled by FBI agents.

According to the information passed onto me by Van Tatenhove, "They were handcuffed and put in separate vehicles and taken to the Holiday Inn parking lot where there were more FBI cars. Agents in full tactical "battle rattle" were present. Skipper was questioned and gave as short answers as possible."

Skipper was released, but Jay was charged with impeding officers at the Oregon refuge. Jay was then transported to Las Vegas Metro and is currently being held in the Henderson, Nevada detention center, according to a message Skipper received from Jay's sister.

All of this is coming down pretty fast as Cliven Bundy's flight into Oregon on Wednesday was prefaced by his call for the American people, patriots and militia to "wake up!" because "it's time!"

I find very interesting WHY 68 warrants were issued?

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Originally Posted by pcfixer (Post 604229)

[url]I find very interesting WHY 68 warrants were issued?

If true, possibly because they're going to make the "impeding a federal official...etc." thing (or the associated conspiracy) stick to all and b) they have long memories & don't like having been embarrassed, ev-uh.

Video from inside the vehicle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWLHiU8gYWY

Sorry, but it looks like the FBI guys got some explaining to do ...

:munchin

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FBI Agents Under Investigation for Coverup in Shooting Death of LaVoy Finicum as New Video is Released from Inside Vehicle

A new video recorded from inside the car driven by Robert “LaVoy” Finicum was released today, capturing the harrowing moments before, during and after he was shot to death in Oregon last January.

The United States Department of Justice also announced it is investigating a group of “elite” FBI agents for partaking in a coverup of the shooting, according to the Oregonian.

It turns out, one FBI agent shot his gun twice, but claimed he never fired his gun.

The USDOJ said those bullets did not strike the Arizona rancher, who had been part of a group of activists occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge throughout January.

Finicum, instead, was shot three times in the back by Oregon state police officers, including one bullet that pierced his heart.

The shooting death was ruled justified because the officers said they were in fear for their lives.

One of the bullets shot by the FBI agent struck his vehicle at a different angle than the other shots, which is what led investigators to determine he had lied.

Link with video ---> https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...nside-vehicle/

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Originally Posted by Sdiver (Post 605183)

Sorry, but it looks like the FBI guys got some explaining to do ...

:munchin

Better bring the whole lunch; they're busy with Hillary.

I by no means an expert, but in the video it does sound like the vehicle was taking fire before Fincum exited.

Well, that certainly changes the 'official' narrative.

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 604018)

The high profile cases (Bundys, Hutarees) are what everyone hears about, but they're the tip of the iceberg when it comes to knuckleheads being watched for planning to harm others intentionally.

Hutarees? That group that was acquitted of all charges because the FBI agent had to give them everything they needed to actually become a threat?

Yep, those FBI guys got some SERIOUS explaining to do. :munchin

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Bullet hole on LaVoy Finicum's truck traced to elite FBI team

BEND – Something didn't seem right about the bullet hole in the top of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum's white Dodge pickup.

Investigators from the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office could account for bullet holes in the left front hood, the driver's side mirror and the front grille. They came from the AR-15 of a state trooper who had fired three times at the truck as Finicum raced at 70 mph toward a police roadblock on Jan. 26.

The angle of a fourth bullet hole didn't match the others.

An elaborate computer analysis, a review of the FBI aerial video of the shooting scene and a video from a passenger in Finicum's pickup produced a result that startled the team poring over evidence into Finicum's fatal shooting that day.

The fourth round, police concluded, was fired by an FBI agent who subsequently twice denied to investigators ever firing his gun. As the investigation proceeded, detectives determined he also fired a second time, but didn't hit anything at the scene. (Elite Team ...) :rolleyes:

The discovery of that gunfire and conduct afterward by the agent and four other agents have triggered a criminal investigation that could result in the prosecution of all five. The agents all serve on the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team. Authorities on Tuesday released few details about the matter and didn't identify the agents by name.

But the disclosure is a jolt to the FBI. The Oregon investigators two weeks ago flew to Washington, D.C., to directly brief top FBI officials about their findings. The U.S. Justice Department's Office of Inspector General is now investigating what it said in a statement were "allegations of FBI misconduct." The Deschutes County Sheriff's Office is separately investigating whether agents were justified in using deadly force that day.

As the 41-day takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge unfolded, the violent outcomes of standoffs at Idaho's Ruby Ridge and in Waco, Texas, were on the minds of law enforcement, occupiers and self-styled militia. No one wanted to trigger a confrontation similar to those events, which resulted in the deaths of civilians and led to harsh criticism of federal agents.

Detectives investigating the Finicum shooting questioned the five FBI agents at least twice -- the night of the shooting and 10 days later. Such questioning is standard for officer-involved shootings.

The Hostage Rescue Team is among the FBI's most elite outfits. The members have no other job but to work full time as a SWAT-style group, operating from the FBI base in Quantico, Virginia. The team is the FBI's global resource for anti-terrorism operations, but it also is selectively deployed across the country to deal with hostage situations or other unique crises.

One investigator working on the task force pulled together by the Deschutes County Sheriff's Office reported that he had been told soon after the shooting that two state troopers and two FBI agents had fired. He said the FBI agents approached him later to say they hadn't fired their weapons.

In separate interviews later that night, those two FBI agents and the other three on duty at the shooting scene said they hadn't discharged their weapons and repeated these statements in a second round of interviews Feb. 5 and 6, investigators reported.

The second time, the agents insisted that an attorney be present and that they be given an opportunity to "reference their prior statements" if they were going to be asked questions they had already answered in the first interview.

"Of particular concern to all of us is that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) operators did not disclose their shots to our investigators or their superiors," said Deschutes County Sheriff Shane Nelson. "Nor did they discuss specific actions they took after the shooting, which are the subject of an ongoing investigation."

Authorities haven't described those "specific actions."

Nelson said "conclusive evidence" about the agents' conduct was presented to U.S. Attorney Bill Williams in Bend on Feb. 18. The next day, the evidence was shown to Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge of the Portland FBI office. On Saturday, Feb. 20, agents from the Justice Department's inspector general and the FBI's Inspections Division traveled to Bend to review the evidence.

Nelson and Dan Norris, the Malheur County district attorney overseeing the shooting investigation, a week later traveled to brief top FBI officials in Washington.

Bretzing said Tuesday, however, that identifying who fired the two shots was unresolved.

Tim Colahan, Harney County district attorney who asked Norris to handle the shooting investigation, said that "we will continue to work to determine how the HRT operators' actions played into the events. We reserve the right, as Oregonians, to hold wrongdoers accountable for their actions."

With the indications of FBI misconduct, the Malheur takeover now carries echoes of Ruby Ridge, which resulted in scathing investigations of the FBI and the eventual conviction of an FBI official. The 1992 siege in Idaho started when police sought to arrest anti-government extremist Randy Weaver. His son and his wife were both shot to death during that operation, as was a U.S. marshal.

The resulting investigations into misconduct and mistakes forced the FBI to overhaul its policy for using deadly force and for how it investigates agent-involved shootings. It also prompted changes in the way the FBI deploys the Hostage Rescue Team.

The Justice Department investigated as did the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Government Information. Both found numerous problems with the FBI's conduct during and after Ruby Ridge. The Senate committee cited a poorly executed search by the FBI for evidence, among other things.

"At least one important piece of evidence – a bullet – was removed and then replaced by FBI agents coordinating the search," the committee found.

"Throughout the course of its many reports, the FBI accorded its own agents undue deference," the report said. "Their stories were accepted at face value and were only rarely subject of probing inquiry."

The committee urged public airings of government misconduct for accountability.

"If our government is to maintain – indeed, even deserve – the trust of the American people, it cannot fear or avoid the truth," the committee said in its final report.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta...tml#incart_sms

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Originally Posted by Streck-Fu (Post 605202)

Hutarees? That group that was acquitted of all charges because the FBI agent had to give them everything they needed to actually become a threat?

That was a bad joke, no offense but those folks were within a hairs width of being banjo boy from Deliverance.

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Originally Posted by Paslode (Post 605204)

That was a bad joke, no offense but those folks were within a hairs width of being banjo boy from Deliverance.

No doubt they were pretty stupid. But they were no where near being an actual threat to any one.