View Full Version : Ciener .22 conversion/ 1911 .45
Sacamuelas
03-12-2005, 21:27
Just got my hands on this little addition.
First impressions are that it seems to fit nicely to the frame. Mags fit and locked into place with no trouble. I’m gonna go shoot it tomorrow and smile all the way back to the house thinking about how I just saved $80 in ammo by shooting with .22 while still being able to practice with my current ccw holster, trigger and frame of my actual CCW. Assuming this works as advertised, it will become a permanent addition to my training sessions.
The Reaper
03-12-2005, 21:34
The Ciener Conversion kits are great.
I have several for my M-4s. You can shoot into .22LR bullet traps.
The company itself has a bunch of jerks working there and is very hard to deal with. It is a shame.
TR
bberkley
03-13-2005, 00:08
Ciener is probably the bottom of the barrel for rimfire conversions. Advantage Arms makes a good one for Glocks, and for any 1911-style pistol, Marvel Precision is where you want to send your money: http://www.marvelprecision.com/
Trip_Wire (RIP)
03-13-2005, 01:58
Ciener is probably the bottom of the barrel for rimfire conversions. Advantage Arms makes a good one for Glocks, and for any 1911-style pistol, Marvel Precision is where you want to send your money: http://www.marvelprecision.com/
As I recall Kimber makes a good conversion kit as well. :munchin
Smokin Joe
03-13-2005, 02:01
As I recall Kimber makes a good conversion kit as well. :munchin
Sir,
I have one and I would strongly NOT recommend it.
Trip_Wire (RIP)
03-13-2005, 13:28
Sir,
I have one and I would strongly NOT recommend it.
I have one too! (*Kart) Mine is pretty old, I bought it in the 70's. I haven't used it all that much, but I thought it was better then the Colt .22 conversion kit.
*Correction: Actually my conversion kit is the Kart kit w/target sights. Reading TR's post jarred my memory. I haven't even looked at the kit for a long time! :confused:
What problems have you had with yours?
:munchin
militarymoron
03-13-2005, 14:25
hey smokin,
i'm also curious as to what problems you had with your kimber .22 conversion kit - i was actually thinking of getting one.
bberkley - thanks for the heads up on marvel.
cheers,
MM
The Reaper
03-13-2005, 15:16
I also have a Kart .22LR Conversion for the 1911, it is a VERY nicely made piece.
TR
Smokin Joe
03-13-2005, 22:01
Consistant ( From 1 in 7rnds to 1 in 10rnds) failure to feed due to a very steep feed ramp that causes case rupture...so bad that the bullet will partially detach from the caseing.
Failure to extract; about 1 in 15 rounds. Which will cause double feeds like its cool.
I'm the second guy I know of to have this problem with the Kimber conversion kit.
I would recommend the Ciener over the Kimber conversion kit.
Trip_Wire (RIP)
03-14-2005, 02:37
I also have a Kart .22LR Conversion for the 1911, it is a VERY nicely made piece.
TR
Damn! I goofed! I don't have a Kimber. My Conversion kit is the Kart kit!
:confused:
Sacamuelas
03-14-2005, 07:14
I didn't get to go shoot it Sunday. However, my father-in-law did. His current CCW is a Colt Gunsite pistol. He reported zero failures and that the point of impact was dead on from the factory. He loved it.
Smokin Joe
03-14-2005, 07:18
I didn't get to go shoot it Sunday. However, my father-in-law did. His current CCW is a Colt Gunsite pistol. He reported zero failures and that the point of impact was dead on from the factory. He loved it.
Let your father in law know I will take that POS Colt Gunsite Pistol off his hands for $150.00 no more. I normally wouldn't offer so much but, well I feel obligated to help the guy out and take that horrible pistol off his hands. :D
militarymoron
03-15-2005, 00:22
thanks, smokin'.
hmm...that marvel's looking pretty good.
MM
EchoSixMike
07-29-2005, 20:34
The Marvels are the best on the market, but even they wear out after 25+k rds. They do stand behind their product 100%, but expect to start getting a phone call after the third or forth time you send one back with a peened and/or pitted breechface. A friend is full time range staff for a major PD and he fires 250-500rds 5 days per week. 22LR is the only way to shoot and still feed the kids. Accuracy is outstanding, just has some durability issues for extended use, which every other kit has, AFAIK. Often, much worse. If someone were to fit a steel breechface, perhaps threaded and interchangable like on a 1911 racegun I saw somewhere, that may be a potential solution. I'm not sure if this is economically viable for the limited number of shooters who fire this amount of ammo. S/F....Ken M
Addendum: Evidently, the new Marvels have a steel breech insert, so that should fix that issue.
Slantwire
11-10-2009, 10:07
Has anyone dealt with Ciener recently? How long is their backlog?
I ordered a Beretta conversion kit several months ago. The check was cashed, but other than that I have received neither kit or acknowledgment.
When I ordered, they quoted a "normal" turnaround time but warned that due to "UN-PRESIDENTED" [sic] demand, they could not guarantee how long I would have to wait. I allowed much more time than I would normally, went to their website for contact information to follow up, and found this little gem (http://www.22lrconversions.com/checkorder.mailin.htm).
The Reaper
11-10-2009, 11:29
Has anyone dealt with Ciener recently? How long is their backlog?
I ordered a Beretta conversion kit several months ago. The check was cashed, but other than that I have received neither kit or acknowledgment.
When I ordered, they quoted a "normal" turnaround time but warned that due to "UN-PRESIDENTED" [sic] demand, they could not guarantee how long I would have to wait. I allowed much more time than I would normally, went to their website for contact information to follow up, and found this little gem (http://www.22lrconversions.com/checkorder.mailin.htm).
In my experience, you will have to search far and wide to find a worse company to deal with than Ceiner. They do not take credit cards, cash checks/Money Orders long before shipping products, deny warranty claims, have almost no customer service, and are generally rude to talk to.
I would have to say that I do not deal with them any longer.
TR
Slantwire
11-10-2009, 12:21
In my experience, you will have to search far and wide to find a worse company to deal with than Ceiner. They do not take credit cards, cash checks/Money Orders long before shipping products, deny warranty claims, have almost no customer service, and are generally rude to talk to.
I would have to say that I do not deal with them any longer.
TR
Sir,
That's a shame. I went with them, partly based on your posts lauding the kits themselves. I figured I could deal with poor customer service if I got a great product for my hassle.
Now I have to follow your cue again. This is my first transaction with them, and will be my last. That's a pity, if the product is of high quality.
The Reaper
11-10-2009, 13:02
Sir,
That's a shame. I went with them, partly based on your posts lauding the kits themselves. I figured I could deal with poor customer service if I got a great product for my hassle.
Now I have to follow your cue again. This is my first transaction with them, and will be my last. That's a pity, if the product is of high quality.
They have continued to get worse as Mr. Ceiner got older.
I would not say that they are high-quality, rather that the ones I have handled have functioned properly, which is not something you can say about all of the sub-caliber kits.
Best of luck, sorry if you bought expecting better based on my comments.
TR
If you decide to go with a Ciener kit buy one directly from Midway or Brownells. Do not under any circumstances buy directly from him! To say the guy is an asshole would be quite an understatement.
On a personal note, I've tried 3 different 22lr kit for my AR15 (Colt, M261 and the Ciener) and only the Ciener performs well so far. I've been through 2 bricks of Federal bulk and 1 brick of CCI Standard velocity and it's been 100% reliable even without changing springs for the standard velocity stuff. I was really impressed especially compared to the M261 that would FTE at least once per 10rnd mag. It's also the only one that works flawlessly with my 2stage Armalite NM trigger/notched hammer (I would get failures to fire on other kits).
Also big thumbs up for the Advantage Arms for both the 1911 and the Glock. Quality piece of kit.
ETA: http://www.donotbuyciener22lrconversions.org/
Slantwire
11-12-2009, 08:08
FWIW, I received my Ceiner conversion kit yesterday. Came home from visiting a buddy at Walter Reed, and UPS had left it on the front step. One day after my post, five months after having my check cashed. I have yet to fire it, but I do have it in hand.
Seems well covered. Just to add that the Wilson kits are Marvel. Some Kimbers conversions are Marvel and some (the more recent years) are Ciener. Marvel are definately a big step up. Advantage Arms make a great Glock kit.
The Reaper
11-18-2009, 15:56
The Kart kits are the heat, when you can find one.
The mags may need some tweaking, though.
TR
I have a Ciener and it doesn't want to fit on my Taurus PT1911. I've had it on my buddy's Kimber, two Springfields and an Ithaca. I guess the Taurus is less than Mil-spec altough it runs and shoots great as long as I feed it decent ammo. Anyone else have this problem? I intend to take it to a local (highly recommended) gunsmith for some tweaking.
I have a Ceiner for the Browning that I have run pretty hard for the past for 6-7 years. Absolutely no issues on several pistols to include the Argentine FMs except when trying to talk to someone at Ceiner... I have looked to buy another but Brownells no longer offers the BHP kit, I saw another (BHP) kit a couple of years back but cannot find the maker.
MVP