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CA_TacMedic
08-24-2011, 11:37
http://nation.foxnews.com/sex-crimes/2011/08/23/sick-psychiatric-group-wants-normalize-pedophilia
This is sick. If I read it correctly if Pedophiles or as the group wants to name it "Minor Attracted Persons" will be included in the DSM, essentially spearheading a movement to de-criminalize child molestation. Given my current profession and daily exposure to these criminals, I will tell you that I am disgusted by these individuals and the real data supports that any "rehabilitation" of pedophiles is not possible. The recidivism rate is staggering, but the damage to child victims is unimaginable and ultimately will be ignored if their push is successful. Yet given all the facts and circumstances this group of twisted mental health "professionals" (:confused:) genuinely want to reform the system to re-classify these sick criminals as "misunderstood". I am at a loss of words to truly describe how disgusted I am.....
Notice the panel university list, see anything in common? :munchin
In reading the article:
a. "It is based on data from prison studies, which completely ignore the existence of those who are law-abiding..." - How is there a non-criminal, law-abiding element? As far as I know, pedophilia is criminal at some level in all of the U.S.
b. "Stop demonizing a whole class of people, and start learning the facts." - So what are the facts, Doc? :rolleyes:
I wonder which lib activist group is funding these whack jobs... :mad:
I would suspect that NAMBLA could be adding a few funds to the study. It would be interesting to know.
Seems to me as if they succeed and it is removed from the DSM-V, it will no longer be categorized as an illness needing empathy and medical treatment, but - as with homicide, robbery, etc - just another criminal activity which society finds unacceptable.
I figure it will be quite awhile before that kind of behavior is acceptable around these parts of the country in spite of how some may seek to justify its existence.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0809/Prophet-to-pedophile-Polygamist-Warren-Jeffs-sentenced-to-life-in-prison
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
CA_TacMedic
08-24-2011, 13:19
Richard, you are correct that a complete removal from the DSM-V would remove it as a classifiable Mental Illness/Disorder....which would seem to make it more susceptible to criminal prosecution, absent the defense of an "illness". I should have posted additional information that further identifies and clarifies a group of Mental Health "Pros" in addition to a small group of pedophiles want to change how it is identified in the DSM-V. I will do a little more digging and see if I can locate exactly what specific "changes" they are attempting to make.
From: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/08/24/mental-health-group-looks-to-remove-stigma-from-pedophilia/
A group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals say it's time to change the way society views individuals who have physical attractions to children.
The organization, which calls itself B4U-Act, is lobbying for changes to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, the guideline of standards on mental health that's put together by the American Psychiatric Association.
The group says its mission is to help pedophiles before they create a crisis, and to do so by offering a less critical view of the disorder.
"Stigmatizing and stereotyping minor-attracted people inflames the fears of minor-attracted people, mental health professionals and the public, without contributing to an understanding of minor-attracted people or the issue of child sexual abuse," reads the organization's website.
B4U-Act said that 38 individuals attended a symposium in Baltimore last week, including researchers from Harvard University, Johns Hopkins University and the universities of Illinois and Louisville. According to the group, which said to not endorse every point of view expressed, the speakers in attendance concluded that "minor-attracted" individuals are largely misunderstood and should not be criminalized even as their actions should be discouraged.
Speakers also argued that people who are sexually attracted to children should have input into the decision about how pedophilia is defined in the DSM, which they said is supposed to be a guide to promote “mental health vs. social control.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/08/24/mental-health-group-looks-to-remove-stigma-from-pedophilia
Wallace
Team Sergeant
08-24-2011, 13:25
Yeah, I hope they "De-Criminalize" my "disorder" also. I have the urge to kill about half the people I see, so far I've kept it in check......
If they de-criminalize Pedophilia I'm not so sure I could keep my disorder under control....:munchin
PedOncoDoc
08-24-2011, 13:34
You omitted the mention that this is a fringe group of psychiatrists not endorsed or supported by their professional association (not that I endorse professional medical associations).
The American Psychiatric Association did not participate in the conference, and evidently does not condone the group's message.
"An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act and this is never considered normal or socially acceptable behavior," the APA wrote in a 2003 position statement.
Critics of the effort also note that the movement likens its fight for pedophilia acceptance to society's more recent embrace of homosexuality. They warn of a slippery slope to a time when pedophilia is "just another lifestyle choice" that won't warrant criminal charges—and will leave young children at risk.
This logic could be taken down the slippery slope to decriminalize hate crimes and other victimization of defenseless (disabled, etc.). F#@ked up is an understatement.
ETA: TS - did you see the first comment on the orinigally linked story?
Sounds like a 2nd Amendement issue to me.
All they have to do is change the word Pedophilia into a more positive term (something that hasn't been demonized yet.). Like Homosexual to gay, pimp to community leader, usury to interest, a shill/ political prostitute/ liberal/ progressive to open minded, Pedophilia to ?.
GratefulCitizen
08-24-2011, 14:07
Yeah, I hope they "De-Criminalize" my "disorder" also. I have the urge to kill about half the people I see, so far I've kept it in check......
If they de-criminalize Pedophilia I'm not so sure I could keep my disorder under control....:munchin
Once the laws become unjust, our elected and appointed servants are effectively rebelling against their masters (we the people) and loosing chaos upon us.
Your "disorder" no longer being kept in check sounds like an effective way to suppress rebellion on the part of our elected/appointed servants, and their de facto agents.
I would suggest to our servants that they re-think their schemes of rebellion.
CA_TacMedic
08-24-2011, 14:10
If you read the links/ posts, that is exactly one of the steps. They are beginning to call Pedophiles, "Minor Attracted Persons". WTF...I think I agree, this may very well be a 2nd Amendment issue....
Wallace
"minor-attracted"? I guess pedophile is too strong a word now.
The word comes from the Greek: παῖς (paîs), meaning "child," and φιλία (philía), "friendly love" or "friendship".[28] This literal meaning has been altered toward sexual attraction in modern times, under the titles "child love" or "child lover," by pedophiles who use symbols and codes to identify their preferences.[29][3 source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile)
Gay/Lesbian/Homosexual are now "Alternative lifestyles".
Overweight/Fat/Obese are now "thyrodially imbalanced".
Belligerent /Disobedient/rowdy children are now "ADHD".
Cell phones are now 'a God-given right', welfare payments are 'stimulus to the economy' and expanding government is 'creating jobs'.
This is all quite disgusting, but I sure do hope that the people in jail learn that "minor-attractive' is really a liberal, tree hugging, rainbow warrior code word for child molester and that they remember to mete out the proper amount of abuse.
The Reaper
08-24-2011, 18:33
All they have to do is change the word Pedophilia into a more positive term (something that hasn't been demonized yet.). Like Homosexual to gay, pimp to community leader, usury to interest, a shill/ political prostitute/ liberal/ progressive to open minded, Pedophilia to ?.
How about "dead pervert?"
TR
Saturation
08-24-2011, 18:39
How about "dead pervert?"
TR
That's a much more positive word!:p
WayoftheWolf
08-24-2011, 19:19
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mojaveman
08-24-2011, 19:29
Pedophiles are not always easy to identify and catch because for the most part they are normal people with the exception of their twisted compulsion to engage in sexual activity with children. I've been aquainted (not friends) with two. One was a star player on our High School football team and the other was a detective in our local Police Department. Honest, he traveled out of state to pay for pre-arranged sex with boys. After he was caught he ended up receiving about a hundred years or so with all of the federal and state charges. How about that grammar school teacher in Washington who was having sex with her young male student and then later married him?
For the victim's sake it needs to remain a serious crime.
I took a class called "Violence and Society" and in that class I remember hearing that pedohilia had one of the highest rehabilitation rates; meaning that those incarcerated for those acts never repeated them as far as we know. But, rehab or reclassification will still not change the fact that there are victims. We really do live in a great country where we have such great concern for our criminals.
A good reason not to believe everything you "hear", as that statement made in your class is total bullshit. In fact, I would argue that the total opposite is true. Pedophiles and child molesters have an extremely high reoffend rate - many times for the same offenses comitted within the same areas.
In 29 years I have yet to lock up a first time offender for child molestation/rape - they are all repeat offenders. Frankly, the only "rehabilitation" I've seen has been prior to police arrival at the hands of "concerned community members" or from other inmates when they are mistakenly placed into general population.
The Reaper
08-24-2011, 20:15
A good reason not to believe everything you "hear", as that statement made in your class is total bullshit. In fact, I would argue that the total opposite is true. Pedophiles and child molesters have an extremely high reoffend rate - many times for the same offenses comitted within the same areas.
In 29 years I have yet to lock up a first time offender for child molestation/rape - they are all repeat offenders. Frankly, the only "rehabilitation" I've seen has been prior to police arrival at the hands of "concerned community members" or from other inmates when they are mistakenly placed into general population.
Concur completely.
Stats I have seen show that 52% of all pedophiles reoffend and are reincarcerated within 25 years of the original incarceration.
Mistakenly placed in the general pop? Wow, I hate it when that sort of mistake happens to bad people.
TR
CA_TacMedic
08-24-2011, 20:47
One of the issues with attempting to apply some form of statistical "rate" of recidivism to pedophiles is the fact that many pedophiles "groom" their victims over long periods of time...sometimes years, truly sick. And one other unfortunate aspect of this crime is the likelihood that victims families will not allow their child to testify or the child victim is seen as unreliable as a witness resulting in very skewed "statistics." I also agree and know that a low recidivism rate represented in any class would be pure BS. Well over 75-80% of currently incarcerated pedophiles have multiple prior convictions. I will tell you for a fact that I read the files of many pedophiles, child molesters, rapists, etc...and in MANY of the cases it took prosecutors multiple offenses / cases to convict and in many cases years. Unfortunately these are just the ones we know about. White and Hispanic inmates WILL KILL them, Blacks, Asians, and Native Americans overlook it for some reason. Other races will not attack other races on a routine basis...weird politics and too long to explain here. I support the Death Penalty for child molesters, preferably before conviction...a lot less expensive.:p
Wallace
DJ Urbanovsky
08-24-2011, 23:01
I have a cure for pedophilia. It's sitting on my workbench. Weighs a pound and a half. Has "Plumb" stamped on the side.
If I read it correctly if Pedophiles or as the group wants to name it "Minor Attracted Persons" will be included in the DSM, essentially spearheading a movement to de-criminalize child molestation.I believe you read John Rossomando's article correctly.
However, I believe that Mr. Rossomando was manipulated by Dr. Judith Reisman (her website is here (http://www.drjudithreisman.com/)) so that he would interpret the effort through her eyes rather than doing his own digging (including on Dr. Reisman herself), taking a step back, and writing balanced story on a controversial effort.
FWIW, the B4U-ACT's website is here (http://www.b4uact.org/index.htm). By my reading of the materials available there, the objective is to de-stigmatize MTA's so that they can get the help they need before their fantasies/desires/impulses turn into criminal behavior.
blue02hd
08-25-2011, 04:34
I took a class called "Violence and Society" and in that class I remember hearing that pedohilia had one of the highest rehabilitation rates; meaning that those incarcerated for those acts never repeated them as far as we know.
You need to recheck your research. Ped's have the highest recidivism rate of all criminal actors. Research demonstrates that they cannot be rehabilitated. A simple google search will support my post.
craigepo
08-25-2011, 04:49
FWIW, the B4U-ACT's website is here (http://www.b4uact.org/index.htm). By my reading of the materials available there, the objective is to de-stigmatize MTA's so that they can get the help they need before their fantasies/desires/impulses turn into criminal behavior.
Some things in this world need to be stigmatized. Evil is evil. If a human doesn't have the wherewithal to determine that what he or she is doing to children is horrendous, necessitating help, then said person does not need to be walking the streets.
Richard I agree with your assessment of the Jeffs case. My only question is what about the parents of those young girls? Do you know if they were prosecuted? I have a 13 year old daughter and can't imagine letting that happen to her. If I thought God wanted me to give my young daughter to some skeevy old weirdo, I would have to reevaluate my religion.
greenberetTFS
08-25-2011, 07:10
We are just skirting around this issue........ :( What we should do after a conviction is cut off his penis and balls and finish it off with a "Lobotomy"!........:mad: However,if it's an attractive young woman(teacher,etc)I'm still working on it........ :rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
mojaveman
08-25-2011, 09:14
By my reading of the materials available there, the objective is to de-stigmatize MTA's so that they can get the help they need before their fantasies/desires/impulses turn into criminal behavior.
I'll venture to say that 99.9% of all pedophiles probably won't voluntarily seek therapy because of the humilitation and stigma that would go along with it, they also wouldn't want to identify themselves in the community. If such a program were enacted wouldn't someone want to keep a list of names?
Barbarian
08-25-2011, 09:36
What we should do after a conviction is cut off his penis and balls and finish it off with a "Lobotomy"!........
I was gonna say string'em up on public tv, but......... that works better.:cool:
I believe you read John Rossomando's article correctly.
However, I believe that Mr. Rossomando was manipulated by Dr. Judith Reisman (her website is here (http://www.drjudithreisman.com/)) so that he would interpret the effort through her eyes rather than doing his own digging (including on Dr. Reisman herself), taking a step back, and writing balanced story on a controversial effort.
FWIW, the B4U-ACT's website is here (http://www.b4uact.org/index.htm). By my reading of the materials available there, the objective is to de-stigmatize MTA's so that they can get the help they need before their fantasies/desires/impulses turn into criminal behavior.
Sig, my brain usually just hurts when I read your posts:), but jumping onto those sites made it almost explode. While I'm clearly not an academic (but do have six full years of high school) I wish that I could some how procure a sizeable grant to formulate and pontificate my overlooked theory: Pedophiles hunt innocent little children and perform unspeakable acts upon them - because pedophiles fucking LIKE IT.
As the Judge clearly stated - evil is evil. I have seen only 1 - just 1 - child rapist "rehabilitated". Many years ago, I happened upon an enthusiastic group of towns folk clearly heading for a rousing game of North Philly nighttime/early morning aluminum bat softball. Said good citizens had just "happend upon" an 26 yr old male individual who was caught in the act of raping his 7 year old male "play cousin" by the 7 yr olds grandmother. The grandmother, a known authority figure (block captain) related that the 26yr old had been "eyeing" children all day long and she knew he was "fixing to do something" - she further related that he had been arrested for "touchin' children" before (confirmed - 11 arrests).
To make a long story shorter - this male has been totally 100% "rehabilitated". Still confined (of sorts) to this day, I'm sure he had plenty of time to review over and over his sick, nefarious deeds of that night. Last time I checked in around 2002 - he would blink twice if he wanted more juice with his multi dose of stool softner.
This kind of crap makes my blood boil to the point of rage to just think of it. I know exactly what I would do if someone hurt one of my family members in this manner.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/08/25/paving-way-for-condoning-child-rape/
As Dr. Ablow points out in the above article, we have allowed the circumstances to exist where these pukes may get their way. Children are sexualized in media at younger and younger ages. Through commercials for various clothing and shows such as "Toddlers and Tiaras", children are being made to appear as adults in many ways.
http://www.witn.com/news/headlines/NC_man_blames_PTSD_for_infant_stepdaughters_death_ 128221903.html?storySection=story
And this puke better not get off for the hell he put his 10 month old stepdaughter through by some PTSD BS!
GratefulCitizen
08-25-2011, 14:25
Don't give a rat's ass what any law, expert, or person with any form of authority says.
If someone demonstrates that they are a clear threat to my children, I will do whatever is necessary to protect them.
If that means I break all manner of laws, or hurt someone's feelings :rolleyes:, so be it.
Don't care if the threat has an excuse.
In my sphere of influence, the threat is not human and remains disqualified as a human until such time as it is no longer a threat.
Don't give a rat's ass what any law, expert, or person with any form of authority says.
If someone demonstrates that they are a clear threat to my children, I will do whatever is necessary to protect them.
If that means I break all manner of laws, or hurt someone's feelings :rolleyes:, so be it.
Don't care if the threat has an excuse.
In my sphere of influence, the threat is not human and remains disqualified as a human until such time as it is no longer a threat.
Spoken like a true parent. :lifter My thoughts exactly.
WayoftheWolf
08-25-2011, 15:07
A good reason not to believe everything you "hear", as that statement made in your class is total bullshit. In fact, I would argue that the total opposite is true. Pedophiles and child molesters have an extremely high reoffend rate - many times for the same offenses comitted within the same areas.
In 29 years I have yet to lock up a first time offender for child molestation/rape - they are all repeat offenders. Frankly, the only "rehabilitation" I've seen has been prior to police arrival at the hands of "concerned community members" or from other inmates when they are mistakenly placed into general population.
Your right to question the research. I believe this is the research he was conducting.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15228830802096598#preview
If I remember right he qualified what rehabilitation meant in regards to incaceration. Essentially, he said your right that they are all repeat offenders and we need to do something different. Here is a brief bio, he has a Ph.D from Vanderbilt.
http://www.emich.edu/criminology/facultystaff_subdir/rkern.html
But like I said all that stuff doesnt matter. We are still worrying about the perpatrator rather than the victims.
Saturation
08-25-2011, 16:29
I took a class called "Violence and Society" and in that class I remember hearing that pedohilia had one of the highest rehabilitation rates; meaning that those incarcerated for those acts never repeated them as far as we know. But, rehab or reclassification will still not change the fact that there are victims. We really do live in a great country where we have such great concern for our criminals.
This is the complete opposite of the rates I have heard about- did they offer any references?
Essentially, he said your right that they are all repeat offenders and we need to do something different.
Maybe Injections of lead to the brain would be the solution?
WayoftheWolf
08-25-2011, 16:45
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The Reaper
08-25-2011, 16:59
We are still worrying about the perpatrator rather than the victims.
Dealing with the perpetrator properly after the first incident prevents future victims.
TR
To quick
In the best interest of children, the quicker the better. There is also moral and psychological dilemma in dragging it out and making a game out of misery.
On the other hand their is the Hunt. I do enjoy hunting and satisfaction comes from a quick end and a short walk.
ddoering
08-26-2011, 12:11
Yeah, I hope they "De-Criminalize" my "disorder" also. I have the urge to kill about half the people I see, so far I've kept it in check......
If they de-criminalize Pedophilia I'm not so sure I could keep my disorder under control....:munchin
Perhaps we will have the same therapist.....
"My name is Bob, I have a shooting problem."
Everyone - "Welcome Bob."
Therapist - "Thanks for sharing. Who would like to share today, TS, maybe you?"
Long pause, TS - "Fuck it, ok,....gawd damn it, I shot another one of those fuckin' butt fucking just released criminals again. I know we're not susposed to, but they keep showing up in my hood, and well, I just can't help myself. I hate them as much as I hate posers. Gawd! Hey, I brought ribs, who wants some, maybe you Penn, Echoes, WD?"
Echoes - "Sure. Hey 'Bob', your're new, come try some of TS's ribs, they're good".
Penn/Echoes - "Come on Bob, you can do it."
Bob - "Feeling better, thanks."
Penn - "Hey look, the entire PS.com crew walking in, this is grreat."
TS - "Shit, I need more ribs!"
Barbarian
08-26-2011, 13:45
Hey, I brought ribs, who wan't some,
:D:D:D:D
I know people are worried about the slippery slope, but from what I've read about this issue, all that the shrinks want is to change some of the wording in the DSM, not make pedophilia legal.
The rationale seems to be that people won't get help if there's a "child-f*cker" label stuck on 'em.
It's completely retarded, as if words change what is, but nobody's going whole -hog (nobody but the child-f*ckers)to try and get this kind of activity legalized.
And Wet Dog, wouldn't the barbeque sauce make the trigger-finger fairly slippery? I think TS should bring something a little less messy.
But by changing the wording you make it less offensive and more palatable. If they are only a MAP the trait kind of gets lost and we create another victim.
If this shit passes muster a reference to Child Rapists will be as politically incorrect as Illegal Alien....you'll be a racists of sorts! And by doing so we will increase the influence of groups like NAMBLA just as we have La Raza. Once that is accomplished it will only be time before Child Rapists are included in equal rights legislation.
But by changing the wording you make it less offensive and more palatable. If they are only a MAP the trait kind of gets lost and we create another victim.What specific evidence can you point to that the goal is the decriminalization of sexual assaults upon minors?
And Wet Dog, wouldn't the barbeque sauce make the trigger-finger fairly slippery? I think TS should bring something a little less messy.
Sister, we need to get you out more, you obviously haven't had TS's ribs.
Besides, its in the touch not the texture, and we can shoot with either hand while holding ribs with the other.
I might even let a few misses go un-noticed.
What specific evidence can you point to that the goal is the decriminalization of sexual assaults upon minors?
The original article (http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/) title better defines the intent of the conference aims to normalize pedophilia
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/#ixzz1WBlmR5vW
According to the Daily Caller article The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/#ixzz1WBnKOHjt
Evidence:
NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:
building understanding and support for such relationships;
educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.
NAMBLA and these shrinks are attempting to make the art of seducing children a more acceptable through normalization. A little here, a little there and before too long they are a discriminated class of citizen.
It is just the way things seem to work.....
Once upon a time men that enjoyed men were referred to as queers and having sex with another male was as acceptable as foundling little kids. In present day it is no longer acceptable to refer to a person as a queer, they are now referred to as Homosexuals, and they are free to lobby and promote their lifestyle. The enlightenment of the Homosexual Lifestyle is showing up in text books...The word queer is now considered discriminatory in the same light as Negro or Spic.
NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:
building understanding and support for such relationships;
educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.
NAMBLA's organization and goals are all about Personal Freedom and Civil Rights......were have we heard that before Women's Rights, Gay Rights, Immigration Rights, etc...etc...etc.
http://www.nambla.org/welcome.html
If you look at B4U-ACT (http://www.b4uact.org/), there is the possibility we have a scenario were some in the Mental Health Profession will turn this perversion in to a ATM.
Per B4U-ACT: Our goal is unique and unprecedented: to make effective and compassionate mental health care available to individuals who self-identify as minor-attracted and who are seeking assistance in dealing with issues in their lives that are challenging to them.
According to one Blog (http://annyjacoby.wordpress.com/tag/b4u-act/)
B4U-ACT was founded by Michael Melsheimer aka Lek who was a sex offender, a pedophile and an activist member of Boy Chat. He ran B4U-ACT with Richard Kramer. Richard Kramer of the website, MHAMic (Male Homosexual Attraction to Minors Information Center) runs a website designed to coerce the public into believing sexual abuse of children is not harmful. B4U-Act is also associated with Reformsexoffenderlaws.org who is attempting to change law lessoning sex offender incarcerations and stop the sex offender registry and also has ties to NAMBLA.
Another Blogger made these comments:
Once we accept this deviant group, how do we stop other deviant groups from demanding acceptance? I brought up the growing popularity and acceptance of NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association). Even after posting some pretty disturbing statistics, I was told I was creating drama because I was a racist, a hate monger and just wanted to discriminate against those that were not like me. Their proof that I was hysterical was that group A did not support group B, therefore acceptance would not happen. Many would attempt to bring up the historical background and possible acceptance of group A only to realize the group B has the same kind of historical background.
The P.C. word for Pedophilia has now been accepted and we are to refer to them as “Minor-Attracted Persons” or MAP sexuality. A group named B4U-ACT held a conference on the subject on August 17 in Baltimore, MD. World renowned “sexologist” Dr. Fred Berlin of John Hopkins University even spoke at this conference and expressed his full support for the group.
You can here (http://www.dakotavoice.com/2011/08/time-to-normalize-pedophilia-firsthand-report-on-b4u-act-conference/) and many other places an alleged firsthand report.
I once dated a black girl, who is now gay, living with a Asian gal and has taken her Spanish sirname, (she's from the P.I.). She, (the black girl) is also pregnant (donor) from an illegal Zombie who recently applied for assistance in MA and who needed to gain residency because of another Zombie girl, (wierd, I know), where they met on Facebook. He, (it), will have visitation rights on each Tuesday and alternating Saturdays, (with the kid), not the Zombie chic, whom I'm told is still hot looking.
Confussing, I know, but try to keep up.
Anyway, the girl, (my old girlfriend), used to say I was odd and could not keep up with her while she related the events of her day at work. I often just said, "U-huh, really?, and Wow."
I hope I haven't offended anyone.
The Reaper
08-26-2011, 19:41
I fail to see any humor in this.
TR
B4U-Act’s Rogue’s Gallery
Posted By Rob Taylor On August 22, 2011 @ 12:00 am In Uncategorized | 87 Comments
The news that a small group of mental health professionals held a conference with an organization intent on normalizing pedophilia [1] surprised many people who are unfamiliar with the activist pedophile community. What will be more shocking to readers is the long history of pro-pedophilia activism that some of these “mental health professionals” have been involved in previously, and more shocking still is the sordid history of the organization that arranged this conference.
B4U-ACT is an advocacy organization for “minor attracted adults” who they claim are being discriminated against by society. On their site they claim to want to help child molesters get the therapeutic help they need to not act on their impulses, but this is a lie they use to keep their 501(c)(3) status and remain eligible for grant money they receive from the state of Maryland.
The truth of B4U-ACT is made plain by the online activities of those involved in the group. In May of 2009 a “Richard K” working on behalf of B4U-ACT posted the following on a now defunct child molester forum called Boylove.net:
For those of you who don’t know, B4U-ACT (www.b4uact.org) is a 501c3 non-profit organization started by Mike Melsheimer, an out BL [boy lover] who posts at Boychat. The goal of B4U-ACT is to promote communication between BLs/GLs and mental health professionals so they can learn about us and start to work with us to counteract stereotyping, stigmatization, and hatred.
We also want to help them develop *humane* and ethical ways of working with those BLs who want therapy to deal with society’s hatred, or other issues related or unrelated to being BLs. (B4U-ACT does *not* believe BLs are “sick” and need to be “cured”.)
I now work with B4U-ACT, and was part of the planning committee for this workshop that was held last Thursday. The following is a report of what was discussed at the workshop
That report can be found here [2] and is disturbing as it details the “sympathetic” treatment the mental health professionals gave these child molesters. The “Richard K” posting to a forum that advocated raping children was none other than the supposed Dr. Richard Kramer who appeared in The Daily Caller’s piece [1] about this most recent conference.
The late Mike Melsheimer who started B4U-Act was a convicted child molester, first caught in 1984 when he was the director of Pennsylvania YMCA. He befriended the two young sons of a Nicaraguan immigrant and began producing child pornography using the boys. In 2002 Melsheimer made the news in Maryland by publicly demanding the state provide him lists of comprehensive mental health services for his pedophilia [3]. At the same time, he was a frequent poster on pro-child rape forums using his own name or sometimes the handle “Lek” [4] where he spoke at length of the time he spent in Thailand. In one 2009 discussion on a forum called Boychat [5], Melsheimer is taken to task by other child molesters for B4U-ACT’s claim they want to help stop “minor attracted adults” from offending. Melsheimer’s final answer is this:
The report was dated 2007. It is part of our history, but the passage that offends you is no longer relevant to our site today. I can’t change what is in our history and would be dishonest to try. It would be like BC editing their archives. Our site changed in December 2008 because of the statement you quoted.
Be assured you will find no current reference to prevention of offending. You can take that to the bank.
He goes on to say this:
My organization is not going to say to offend.
I am a BL without regret and will always be a BL without regret. My life as a bl has been terrific. No one could ever make me say otherwise. This is even considering that I spent time in prison.
Our line in the sand has historically defeated us. We need to think about a new one.
These comments were posted around the same time B4U-ACT had their first meeting with these mental health professionals. The “BL” above stands for “boy lover” which is how pedophiles that target boys refer to themselves. Ones who target girls refer to themselves online as “girl lovers” or “GLs.”
Melsheimer appeared nowhere in public without Dr. Fred Berlin, who as it turned out was Melsheimer’s therapist. Berlin continues to be affiliated with Melsheimer’s group and was featured at this most recent conference. The Daily Caller points out that in the 1990s Berlin was in trouble with the Maryland authorities because he refused to alert law enforcement [1] when child molesters under his care were actively abusing children. He is also a well-known and vocal opponent of sex offender notification laws. What is less well known about Fred Berlin is that he was, for decades, the expert the Catholic Church relied on for advice on how to deal with pedophile priests [6].
In a 2008 deposition by Archbishop Emeritus Rembert G. Weakland [7] we learn that Berlin counseled the Church to not defrock pedophile priests. He claimed it would be better to keep the priest around for the Church to monitor, something he claimed society at large wouldn’t do. Odd, since thirty years later he is lobbying against monitoring sex offenders. In a 2006 Forbes article, Berlin said this about efforts to monitor sex offenders [8]:
“We’ve basically dehumanized these people with words such as ‘predator,’” said psychiatrist Fred Berlin, founder of the Johns Hopkins Sexual Disorders Clinic in Baltimore.
“Every decent human being wants to protect children,” he said, but even suggesting that criminals who have done their time are entitled to rebuild their lives can tarnish a politician.
“It’s close to heresy,” Berlin said.
Heretical indeed. His two contradictory positions both lead to the same end — protecting the child molester from the consequences of his criminality. Berlin told Church authorities that throwing out pedophile priests would endanger the community at large because the pedophiles need monitoring — yet here he claims that pedophiles shouldn’t be monitored and don’t pose enough of a threat to society to merit keeping a database.
It’s no wonder Berlin is B4U-ACT’s favorite “mental health professional” since his ultimate goal seems to be using his position to decriminalize sexual abuse of children — a tactic he tried in court when he was called as a defense witness for 76-year-old Charles Friedlander [9]. A fellow “mental health professional,” Friedlander was caught in a sting by Tampa area police who arranged a fake meeting with a man who was willing to let Friedlander beat and rape his 11-year-old son. Though he wrote at length about his desire to beat little boys and discussed raping the decoy’s child [10], Friedlander was diagnosed by Berlin as NOT being either a pedophile or sado-masochist. He therefore, according to Berlin, was just engaging in “fantasy” on the Internet and was never going to abuse a child. The court did not accept this defense.
Berlin, however, was not the only presenter at this conference. B4U-ACT also invited a graduate student from the London School of Economics and Political Science named Jacob Breslow to give a presentation titled Sexual Alignment: Critiquing Sexual Orientation, The Pedophile, and the DSM-V [11]. Breslow, who blogs under the name Queerrupture, was extremely excited to present this paper [12] because it fit in with his dissertation. Here’s how Breslow describes his academic interests:
I want to complicate binary sexuality as well as the binary between adult and child in a way that examines the racist and heterosexist ideologies at play in the policing of youth and pedophiliac sexuality — doing so both from a state/society level (sex offender registries, sexual health education, the “crisis” of predatory sexual abuse, the racialization of childhood innocence etc.) and from homonationalist and racist discourses of sexuality within the current LGb”T” rights movement.
Through my research I challenge the normative construction of binary sexuality as a means of exposing mainstream LGBT activism to its own (seemingly) contradictory manifestations of oppression: racism, ageism, national exceptionalism, classism and homonormativity.
In other words, Breslow wants gays to accept raping children as part of “queer” identity and any who don’t are racist, sexist homophobes. For a group that claims they want to help “minor attracted adults” get the help they need to deal with their feelings in a healthy way, this seems like an odd stance to support. But Breslow’s presentation does go well with John Z. Sadler [13], MD’s presentation titled Decriminalizing Mental Disorder Concepts – Pedophilia as an Example [14]. In that presentation the ethics professor presents B4U-ACT supporters with their first baby steps toward normalizing child sexual abuse:
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My basic prescription for the DSMs is that all DSM disorders should be PRIMARILY based upon nonmoral negative values: pain, suffering, disability, impairments, and incapacities of various kinds, consistent with the rest of medicine.
Categories such as Pedophilia are problematic because the diagnostic criteria describe little in the way of nonmoral negative values; once trangressive molestation of minors (in fantasy or action) is removed from Pedophilia diagnostic criteria, there is almost nothing left of the disorder phenomenology in the current diagnostic criteria. Such impoverishment of the Pedophilia phenomenology raises at least two questions: (1) Should Pedophilia be considered a mental disorder at all, if it is based primarily upon fantasied or actual criminal conduct? (2) If Pedophilia and related categories are to be preserved as legitimate, nonmorally value-laden disorders,then they require a preponderance of nonmorally-value-laden diagnostic descriptors in their diagnostic criteria.
There are people who claim the push to normalize the sexual exploitation of children is a hidden current underneath various “liberal” movements and attitudes, but that’s not true. The push to normalize pedophilia has been open and visible for decades, but has been ignored by mainstream commenters who underestimated this fringe movement’s reach and organization. The B4U-ACT conference is a wakeup call that illustrates for us how far this movement has already come. Not only do child molesters publicly organize in forums, with their allies in academia and the mental health fields they have infiltrated our social, political, and academic institutions. For years groups like Perverted Justice and their online allies have warned of this danger and been called vigilantes by liberals, libertarians, and all those people who now pretend that that this is the first time they’ve encountered pedophile advocacy.
This was not the first time this sort of advocacy has happened and it won’t be the last. The question now is what do we do to counter this?
Article printed from Pajamas Media: http://pajamasmedia.com
URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/b4u-acts-rogues-gallery/
URLs in this post:
[1] held a conference with an organization intent on normalizing pedophilia: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/
[2] That report can be found here: http://absolutezerounited.blogspot.com/2009/11/b4u-act-workshop.html
[3] In 2002 Melsheimer made the news in Maryland by publicly demanding the state provide him lists of comprehensive mental health services for his pedophilia: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-04-29/news/0204290052_1_sexual-disorders-melsheimer-mental-health
[4] sometimes the handle “Lek”: http://absolutezerounited.blogspot.com/2009/03/high-sounding-rhetoric.html
[5] In one 2009 discussion on a forum called Boychat: http://absolutezerounited.blogspot.com/2009/08/never-say-everything.html
[6] the expert the Catholic Church relied on for advice on how to deal with pedophile priests: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/110817
[7] In a 2008 deposition by Archbishop Emeritus Rembert G. Weakland: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/depo/2008_06_05_Weakland_Rembert/
[8] In a 2006 Forbes article, Berlin said this about efforts to monitor sex offenders: http://www.communitywatch.org/2006/04/rethinking_sex_.html
[9] when he was called as a defense witness for 76-year-old Charles Friedlander: http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/charles-friedlander-judge-rules-fred-berlin-cant-apologize-for-the-sadistic-internet-predator/
[10] Though he wrote at length about his desire to beat little boys and discussed raping the decoy’s child: http://beta2.tbo.com/news/news/2008/jul/25/mental-health-counselor-accused-arranging-sex-boys-ar-146469/
[11] Sexual Alignment: Critiquing Sexual Orientation, The Pedophile, and the DSM-V: http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Breslow_abstract.pdf
[12] was extremely excited to present this paper: http://queerupture.wordpress.com/2011/05/22/im-speaking-at-b4u-acts-conference/
[13] John Z. Sadler: http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept118220/files/304057.html
[14] Decriminalizing Mental Disorder Concepts – Pedophilia as an Example: http://b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Sadler_abstract.pdf.
MTN Medic
08-27-2011, 09:34
Make pedophilia legal
Then, make killing pedos legal. Self limiting problem. :lifter BAM!
There were a total of 38 people at the conference -- and 9 of them were speakers.
No it will not happen tomorrow, but if it is ignored it will happen.
Considering your significant other is SF, you know better than to discount numbers as insignificant.
20-30 years ago that would have been zero attendees, now we have 38 and the ball has moved. Now that they have shown their faces, how many will show up for the next conference.
Look how far terrorists like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrne and their ideas have come in 40 years...they are now accepted in the mainstream.
You might find this an interesting read on a similar controversy with similar controversial findings :
The "Trojan Couch": How the Mental Health Associations Misrepresent Science (http://www.narth.com/docs/TheTrojanCouchSatinover.pdf)
Jeffrey B. Satinover, M.D., Ph.D.
Some of my psychiatric and psychological colleagues have
woven for themselves their own set of illusory robes of authority, and for the past thirty -five years have been proclaiming doctrines in the public square that depend upon the authority that derives from the public’s belief that these robes exist. In particular, they have claimed to the Supreme Court that the scientific data show that homosexuals form a “class” whose boundaries are defined by a stable “trait.”
Part I of the paper reviews the history of the diagnostic change that in 1973 removed homosexuality as a formal disorder from the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), a change that many now accept as simply indisputable in spite of the fact that it was based wholly on fiction.
You may also find Moser and Kleinplatz paper entitled "DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal. (http://home.netcom.com/~docx2/mk.html)" Which argued for the removal of Paraphilias.
The Moser and Kleinplatz paper was present at a 2003 APA Convention in San Francisco at which Psychiatrists attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco proposed removing several long-recognized categories of mental illness - including pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism - from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/926810/posts)
During this convention Linda Ames Nicolosi, NARTH publications director said,
"Normalizing" pedophilia would have enormous implications, especially since civil laws closely follow the scientific community on social-moral matters'.
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"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."
Leave it to the far left to try and mainstream child molestation (does anyone really have any doubt as to how the folks - pushing these agendas - vote) - there must be thousands of Chester the Molesters out there just waiting to sign up for help…if we would only just change the name…it’s just another “man caused disaster” alright…it’s the social stigma makes ‘em do it.
The deviants pushing this agenda appear to me, to be suggesting that - it's only rain - when the water is warm, yellow, has a strong odor and someone is standing over me with a pair of pants around their ankles.
Pedophilia, may or may not always be listed as a mental disorder in the DSM - but no matter - it isn’t anywhere close to normal - what’s the next discussion from the far left loons - why pedophiles might make great parents? Some proponents might even suggest that pedophiles can be very affectionate…
IMO, child molesters should remain stigmatized by society - and a mere change in characterization in the DSM won’t change their deviant behavior. What if some weird group conducts a conference suggesting that we act to decriminalize/de-stigmatize rape - who actually believes that would-be rapists - those just thinking about it for now - race out and get therapy? Bank robbers?
It is one thing to be open minded and quite another to be pissed on and told it’s only rain - despite the far left’s best intentions - pedophilia is not the new normal. Go ahead - revise the manual - we the people know pedophilia for what it really is - always has been - and always will be - an abomination.
MTN Medic
08-27-2011, 14:01
"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."
"The right to swing my fist ends at your nose." Your right to be a pedophile is guaranteed in this country. Your right to molest a kid is not.
GratefulCitizen
08-27-2011, 18:42
Some of these people have urges to abuse the weakest among us.
It's doing them a favor for them to know that someone will kill them for their actions, and no law can protect them.
This would probably help them control their urges, which benefits both them and potential victims.
If they still can't control those urges given that knowledge, no treatment will work which isn't terminal.
Paslode, you make a compelling argument.
Thing is, I'm not buying it. We still have all kinds of laws, built into the system to protect society against certain activities without these activities being listed as a mental disorder in the DSM.
Consider my previous example of the bank robber. Robbing banks is illegal, even though there isn't any "Bank Robbing Pathological Disorder" in the DSM. Assaulting people is illegal, but I don't know of any "Uncontrolled Assault Disorder" in the DSM, either.
All right Counselor Lady we will have to wait and see what happens....we have a $5.00 bet that expires in 20 years. I hope you're right but as long as we have firms like Rubins, Kase, Hager, Cambiano and Bryant creating victims I think the odds are in my favor.
And just look at the news:
Honest citizens create victims by protecting their private property and livelihood.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/jury-123946-burglar-lot.html#ixzz1WAJvzqf5
The TSA seems to attract pedo's.... http://elkodaily.com/news/local/article_5d965fce-cff9-11e0-9d15-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1WGZ88TdZ
And lets not forget that EEOC is looking into Examine Arrest and Conviction Records as a Hiring Barrier. Whereas it could be considered discriminatory to base ones employment on criminal records.
1stindoor
08-29-2011, 08:25
Thanks for the PDF file on the Trojan Couch. I just started reading it.
1stindoor
08-29-2011, 11:02
Having read through the Trojan Couch paper, some key things jumped out at me...
By 2002, the “sexology” community was fiercely debating whether all the “paraphilias” should be removed from the DSM, and the American Psychological Association had published an article arguing that pedophilia was not harmful. In 2003 the American Psychiatric Association held a symposium debating the removal of the paraphilias, pedophilia included, from the DSM, on the same grounds as homosexuality had been removed.
In fact, Hooker failed to follow even the most basic tenets of the scientific method. She deliberately had her associates recruit participants to obtain a pool of subjects who understood what the “experiment” was about and how it was to be used to achieve a political goal in transforming society. As she wrote many years later, “I knew the men for whom the ratings were made, and I was certain as a clinician that they were relatively free of psychopathology.” 14 In other words, she lacked a random sample and tinkered with the composition of both groups to conform to whatever she defined.
The following is from a transcript of a taped phone conversation in 1992 between Gebhard and J. Gordon Muir, editor of Judith Riesman’s Kinsey, Sex and Fraud, about the report in the male volume (table 34) supposedly demonstrating multiple orgasms in children and infants as young as six months old. The question as to how this “data” was obtained has been a subject of intense secrecy. Nonetheless:
Muir: “So, do pedophiles normally go around with stopwatches?”
Gebhard: “Ah, they do if we tell them we're interested in it!”
Muir: “And clearly, [the orgasms of] at least 188 children were timed with a stopwatch, according to....”
Gebhard: “So, second hand or stopwatch . OK, well, that's, ah, you refreshed my memory. I had no idea that there were that many.”
Muir: “These experiments by pedophiles on children were presumably illegal."
Gebhard: “Oh yes.”
But, more importantly, De Cecco is a board member of Paedika: The Journal of Paedophilia. In a “Statement of Purpose” published in the journal’s first issue, the editors wrote:
The starting point of Paedika is necessarily our consciousness of ourselves as paedophiles.
… we understand [paedophilia] to be consensual intergenerational sexual relationships …Through publication of scholarly studies, thoroughly documented and carefully reasoned, we intend to demonstrate that paedophilia has been , and remains, a legitimate and productive part of the totality of human experience.
This fight has been going on for awhile and we're playing catch up...
To paraphrase MSG Muldoon, "No sir, Mr. Beckworth. It doesn’t take a lead weight to fall on me or a hit from one of those penises to recognize what’s involved here is gay, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual, left leaning liberal domination of the World…”
Count me in as one who will be serving life in prison for premeditated murder if someone ever touches my child.
My dad's solution to pedophiles is find an old abandoned building. Nail said pedophile's penis to a sturdy object. Douse the place with gasoline. Give the pervert a rusty dull knife. Set the place on fire and let him make the choice of cutting it off or burning to death.
1stindoor
08-29-2011, 11:41
My dad's solution to pedophiles is find an old abandoned building. Nail said pedophile's penis to a sturdy object. Douse the place with gasoline. Give the pervert a rusty dull knife. Set the place on fire and let him make the choice of cutting it off or burning to death.
Your dad definitely had time to think that one out.
PedOncoDoc
08-29-2011, 11:44
Count me in as one who will be serving life in prison for premeditated murder if someone ever touches my child.
My dad's solution to pedophiles is find an old abandoned building. Nail said pedophile's penis to a sturdy object. Douse the place with gasoline. Give the pervert a rusty dull knife. Set the place on fire and let him make the choice of cutting it off or burning to death.
Nice concept. It sounds effective but, sadly, many pedophiles would find another way to sexually assault children.
CA_TacMedic
08-29-2011, 12:17
I have learned quite a lot from my first post in this thread. Thanks for all of the replies and the wealth of additional information posted. However it in no way shape or form has improved my opinion of pedophiles (even that term seems too PC). I think most if not all of us can agree on the ultimate "cure" for what ails them....
Here is an interesting story.... http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081107/118187744.html
Russian boxer gets 2.5 yrs in prison over murder of alleged rapist
15:22 07/11/2008
ST. PETERSBURG, November 7 (RIA Novosti) - A court in St. Petersburg sentenced a former Russian boxer to two and a half years in prison on Friday for the murder of his stepson's alleged rapist.
On January 1, Alexander Kuznetsov, a former professional boxer, beat to death a 20-year-old St. Petersburg student from Uzbekistan, who had sexually assaulted his 8-year-old stepson in the entranceway to his apartment block.
The court gave Kuznetsov the lowest term permitted under the Russian Criminal Code for the killing due to mitigating circumstances - the former boxer pleaded guilty and committed the crime after witnessing the sexual assault on his stepson.
But the court ruled out giving Kuznetsov a suspended sentence as he is a drug addict with a previous conviction for the possession of drugs.
According to Kuznetsov, on January 1 he and his son decided to let off fireworks in the street and while he was dressing his son left the apartment before him. When Kuznetsov followed his stepson, he saw the boy lying in the entranceway without any trousers and an undressed male was on top of him. Kuznetsov said he lost control and attacked the man, who later died from injuries sustained in the attack.
He should have gotten a medal...not two years for this....Or he should have had fewer witnesses.
Wallace
By 2002, the “sexology” community was fiercely debating whether all the “paraphilias” should be removed from the DSM, and the American Psychological Association had published an article arguing that pedophilia was not harmful. In 2003 the American Psychiatric Association held a symposium debating the removal of the paraphilias, pedophilia included, from the DSM, on the same grounds as homosexuality had been removed.
That caught my eye as well and likely why people should pay attention. It isn't likely pedophilia ever become accepted orientation or class of citizen (in my lifetime at least) but I wouldn't go as far as to never say never.
Look what is on Drudge today:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-sex-offender-baby-sitters-20110828-107,0,2099324.story
I am not really a government agency would have such a lapse, but it does concern me in regard to the EEOC, Disabilities, Equal Opportunity for employment.....why? Because the EEOC is looking into whether Criminal Records should have any bearing on employment and whether using such records is discriminatory.
And just like paraphilias, once you give one group a pass the other groups want to know why not me and why are you discriminating against me.
greenberetTFS
08-29-2011, 15:57
Make pedophilia legal
Then, make killing pedos legal. Self limiting problem. :lifter BAM!
:D ;)
Big Teddy :munchin
Your dad definitely had time to think that one out.
He had four kids to worry about and now seven grand kids! Plus he used to hang out with you all on occasion. I am sure he learned from the best :)
Having had the pleasure, on numerous occasions, to place these people behind bars for very long times, and having interviewed them extensively...
They are nothing but predators. They prey on the weak and those unable to defend themselves. When confronted, they crumble. They often think they are smarter than everyone else, as they normally have gotten away with their crimes for years, but don't realize it's because their victims are afraid of them. They often threaten to harm the victim's parents, or siblings if they tell anyone. That's why you have groups of them getting together and putting this bullshit out there. They think they deserve to be treated with respect...
They deserve nothing less than to be lined up, in a cattle stall, and bolt gunned in the center of their forehead, then fed to pigs.
GROG
Paslode,
Thanks for the link to the Trojan Couch paper, that was a great read. So much for the science that went into the "sexual revolution", it just goes to show how money talks: special interest groups combined with sick people interested in justifying their twisted fantasies through science... :mad:
Count me in as one who will be serving life in prison for premeditated murder if someone ever touches my child.
My dad's solution to pedophiles is find an old abandoned building. Nail said pedophile's penis to a sturdy object. Douse the place with gasoline. Give the pervert a rusty dull knife. Set the place on fire and let him make the choice of cutting it off or burning to death.
I personally would not give him the rusty dull knife. I like the rest of it though.
MTN Medic
08-30-2011, 17:59
I personally would not give him the rusty dull knife. I like the rest of it though.
Darlin' give him the knife, but leave the door padlocked from the outside. Best of both worlds. See? That's why they pay me the big bucks.
Or, you would shoot him in both knees and elbows, carve off his eyelids and leave him in the desert.
His eyes will burn and blister until dry and blind and if he has the will to live, he can crawl like the snake he is.... :D
FWIW - I cannot see Western society allowing such an act to be 'decriminalized' as the thread's title would indicate.
Richard :munchin
greenberetTFS
08-30-2011, 19:26
If GOD doesn't do something soon to "all of these pedophiles",then HE needs to apologize to us about Sodom and Gomorra...:(:(:(
Big Teddy :munchin
FWIW - I cannot see Western society allowing such an act to be 'decriminalized' as the thread's title would indicate.
Richard :munchin
But, not for the lack of effort by pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists.
However, in response, I understand that The Hopkins General Surgery Manual is being updated to reflect the potential change to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - as discussed in this thread.
The revision to The Hopkins General Surgery Manual may include coverage of the well-known, but rarely used, Lorena Bobbitt Procedure.