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Sirs,
Do you foresee the 18x contract option ending anytime within the next few years? I have not been successful in finding an answer to this anywhere on the forum. If this is just a failure of my search-fu please tell me the proper query. I am concerned of this because while I will be graduating soon with my BS in Business and a minor in philosophy I think I would like to get my masters before signing my 18x. I also hope to gain the valuable maturity and experiences that are so highly spoken of throughout this forum before enlisting, so that I don't "waste the Army's time and money," . I am asking this question because I know that the 18x option was not always around, and I don't want to miss my chance by continuing my education.
Thanks,
fng13
...Do you foresee the 18x contract option ending anytime within the next few years? .......
It's the Army. It could end at any time, and then again, it might not.
The SF enlistment option, called many things over the years since the 1960s, has come and gone many times. All based on the needs of the force.
Same thing with an SF Bonus.
Plan your life and then roll the dice.
Scimitar
06-11-2009, 13:34
Just to add some information in the mix...
USASFC has a current force growth mission that will likely be achieved by 2013/14. From the numbers I've seen it is unlikely that this can be achieved without the 18X program.
They are just starting to see the first 5 year 18X contracts come up for re-up and apparently the resign rate is very high, which I've been told was one of the programs major KPIs.
I imagine you're looking at a Mid 2012 MBA Graduation?
Here's an idea, enlist with the ARNG, get selected (try), do the Q course, you can complete your Masters while in the guard....you'll need to make sure thats possible though, my understanding is that it can be done, but I wouldn't take my word for it.
HTH
Scimitar
The Reaper
06-11-2009, 18:33
Why do you need a Masters degree to be an SF soldier?
TR
noefexus
06-11-2009, 19:16
Sirs,
Do you foresee the 18x contract option ending anytime within the next few years? I have not been successful in finding an answer to this anywhere on the forum. If this is just a failure of my search-fu please tell me the proper query. I am concerned of this because while I will be graduating soon with my BS in Business and a minor in philosophy I think I would like to get my masters before signing my 18x. I also hope to gain the valuable maturity and experiences that are so highly spoken of throughout this forum before enlisting, so that I don't "waste the Army's time and money," . I am asking this question because I know that the 18x option was not always around, and I don't want to miss my chance by continuing my education.
Thanks,
fng13
FWIW, I waited too long to join, I'm kicking myself in the ass because I didn't see the light sooner. Higher education will corrupt your mind. Think I'm crazy? Well maybe so. Join Now.
Once you get into the Grad School society you'll change as a person. You'll begin to not only think that you know everything, but truly believe it. That education will get you absolutely nowhere when faced with a life or death situation.
I trodded through 5 miserable years of civilian employment after I graduated college. I realized that this bullshit 9-5, wife and kids, ain't the way I wanna live. I want to push myself beyond all of my self-created limits. I want to know what it feels like to face death. I want to destroy myself--all of my "known" self--and recreate a new person out of the ashes...Only out of self-destruction will you truly evolve and become who you are meant to be.
Only when I give up everything and reach down into my core do I feel truly alive. This is why I joined.
I trodded through 5 miserable years of civilian employment after I graduated college. I realized that this bullshit 9-5, wife and kids, ain't the way I wanna live. I want to push myself beyond all of my self-created limits. I want to know what it feels like to face death. I want to destroy myself--all of my "known" self--and recreate a new person out of the ashes...Only out of self-destruction will you truly evolve and become who you are meant to be.
Only when I give up everything and reach down into my core do I feel truly alive. This is why I joined.
:lifter
I did 3.5 years of civilian employment (started when I was 18) including a stint in Washington, D.C. One day I woke up and decided that isn't the the life I wanted anymore, walked in to the local recruiting station and signed up. Before I did that, everything in my life was all screwed up and out of order. Fast forward 3 months to the present and everything is falling back into place. As a 1SG told me when I wasn't sure about signing up or not, either shit or get off the pot.
I work out at the rec center locally because they let military personnel in for free and every morning 2 other soldiers and I always hear stories from guys telling us they "almost" joined and if they go back they would do it in a heartbeat and then we always hear the regrets.
I guess what I am trying to say, and my opinion on this subject doesn't matter, is that it is better to do it now and not like it than to have never done it and always have the "What if?" in the back of your mind.
Plus there is all kinds of older people in college, and from my college experience, it was a lot of wasted time and money. I learned more in Washington, D.C. in 3 months than I did in 2 years of Economics classes. If you are thinking about doing it, get up, do some PT and do it.
Going back under my ruck
pjg45
Utah Bob
06-12-2009, 12:28
Grad school's not gonna help ya. Get off the fence and cowboy up.
"He who hesitates is lost".
ZonieDiver
06-12-2009, 18:53
Grad school's not gonna help ya. Get off the fence and cowboy up.
"He who hesitates is lost".
Ditto!
20 years from now in your life, it will not matter to you if you got your master's degree or not. What will keep you awake at night is IF, when your country needed you, you answered the call or not - SF or track mechanic - did you come when your country needed you?
The Reaper.
I did not mean to imply that I had to have the masters degree to go sf. I was wondering if there was a real chance of them closing the 18x program by the time I finished school. As for the rest of the replies I appreciate the advice, however, I think higher education has significant value and I do not believe it will "change me as a person," (at least not negatively) I am not so easily swayed by the values of others that the atmosphere will change me. I just would like to finish my education before joining. I am not trying to use this as a crutch or excuse not to join I am going to join when I get out of school. From what I have read on the threads maturity and experiences are a revered quality of SOF recruits. I am only 21 now, and would only be 23 or 24 by the time i finish my masters program. I am hoping that extra time for pt and greater maturity will help me to succeed. However if this is not recommended by actual QP's I will heed their advice and consider not entering a graduate program.
with great respect
fng13
I was 19 years old when I joined the Army and 21 when I got into SF. I didn't return to college until I was 26 years old. The point that I'm trying to make is college will always be there for you. A chance at SF won't always be available.
If you try the Army now, you'll have the GI Bill to help you make ends meet.
I managed to get my AS Degree, BA Degree, a MPA Degree and a MS Degree after the service. I am glad that I didn't wait until I had my education completed prior to the service.
I've never known anyone who regrets having earned a graduate degree, I do however know many people who regret not having one. SF will be there when you're finished and in all likelihood so will 18x. As an 18x there no guarantees that you will earn your green beanie, that you will want to stay in Army after your initial contract, or that you will remain physically able to remain SF or the Army, so having a masters degree in your back pocket will be an asset. If you chose to make the Army your first career, having a graduate degree may not help your career, but it certainly will not hinder it. Good luck.
FOG
Utah Bob
06-13-2009, 07:51
What is your motivation to join SF? That's very important.
I would once again like to say thanks to everyone who is posting the replies trying to help me on my way.
WCH that was my thought process the whole time. That I would just have my education done which will help me keep my options open in the future.
UTAH- My motivation for wanting to be sf.
I Want to serve my country while at the same time do something that very few people ever get to do. Specifically SF because I like the autonomy that is given to the units to get the job done that is not given to conventional units. It seems to be a place where I can use my mind as well as my body to serve. I also like the idea of getting a chance to help indiginous peoples from around the world have a better life, while at the same time taking the fight to the enemy. I have always wanted to join the army and as I got older SF has totally taken over army ambition. I am a moral person with a strong sense of integrity, those seem to be core values from what i have learned from reading about SF. Also, there are less "glorious" reasons motivating me to join sf. I am from a small town where I grew up Hunting, Fishing, Camping etc. SF seems to be a place where I can really apply those experiences. I really like shooting, all types of weapons, and have been fascinated with guns since I was a kid. Plus, where else am I going to get a chance to Sky Dive, Scuba, Rock Climb, Blow things up, Various forms of Extraction, Shoot all kinds of automatic weapons, learn advanced survival and orienteering, H2H, travel, and most importantly make a difference in the world and specifically a difference for the U.S. I have always wanted to be the best in everything I do, I want to join the army so I want to join SF.
On a side note, once again, I am NOT trying to talk myself out of joining or anything of that nature. I have committed myself to doing this and I work everyday to try and meet that goal. Currently though, my runs are not good enough in my opinion that I would be able to be successful at SFAS. I am actively working on this. That is a benefit of remaining in school for an extra year and a half after i graduate next april to help me further prepare. I will not set myself up to fail. I will only go when I have optimized my chances for success. If I only get one shot I am not simply going to rush in and hope I can do it. I am going to KNOW i can do it before my feet ever touch the ground in Georgia for basic. Please let me say one more thing because I know i will get replies condemning me saying that if I wait till I am absolutly ready that I will never go. This is not the case for me, I work out enough to know my body and know my limits. I know what i need to do to give myself a good chance at being successful. That is all im saying, I am not trying to back out or anything like that so please understand this.
Make your plan and roll the dice.
Whatever you make of your life will be based on the choices you make.
Good or bad, they all lead down different forks in the path of your life.
Some steps and trails can not be retraced, others can.
blue02hd
06-13-2009, 13:27
fng (nice nickname btw)
It seems to me you are trying to juggle apples and oranges. You have remarked on the desire to acquire additional maturity and time to physically train while you pursue a Masters. You have conveyed that you believe that will better prepare you for an attempt at SFAS and eventually the teams. From my experiences this could not be further from the truth.
Get your education, it will set you up for success after the service. Do not expect to gain maturity or wisdom from your additional degree, as that can only be gained with experience and time on the job. The best SF soldiers I have worked with were outstanding soldiers prior to joining the teams, not because of any civilian diploma. Their experience and maturity began when they were privates and continued on from there.
I have worked with and have met many a Masters Grad that I wouldn't let watch my son while I went to the store 10 minutes away let alone watch my back downrange. Education does not guarantee you common sense.
One QP has suggested that SFAS will always be there, well the opposite is also true. Your Masters will always be there as well, and the Army does have programs that will financially assist you in reaching that goal. You can really go either way. Just depends on what is more important to you.
If and when you join the Army you will be leaving the civilian culture and entering into the military culture which you do not understand yet. You could be a Rhodes Scholar or waiving a fresh GED and it won't matter the first time a Drill Sgt singles you out.
You must figure out what is most important to you and then follow your heart, tuck your chin, and go get it.
I wish you luck on your Masters. Just remember, not all post grads make it to their Masters Ceremony.
I wish you luck if SFAS. Statistically, the odds are definitely against you there.
All My Best
greenberetTFS
06-13-2009, 16:39
fng (nice nickname btw)
It seems to me you are trying to juggle apples and oranges. You have remarked on the desire to acquire additional maturity and time to physically train while you pursue a Masters. You have conveyed that you believe that will better prepare you for an attempt at SFAS and eventually the teams. From my experiences this could not be further from the truth.
Get your education, it will set you up for success after the service. Do not expect to gain maturity or wisdom from your additional degree, as that can only be gained with experience and time on the job. The best SF soldiers I have worked with were outstanding soldiers prior to joining the teams, not because of any civilian diploma. Their experience and maturity began when they were privates and continued on from there.
I have worked with and have met many a Masters Grad that I wouldn't let watch my son while I went to the store 10 minutes away let alone watch my back downrange. Education does not guarantee you common sense.
One QP has suggested that SFAS will always be there, well the opposite is also true. Your Masters will always be there as well, and the Army does have programs that will financially assist you in reaching that goal. You can really go either way. Just depends on what is more important to you.
If and when you join the Army you will be leaving the civilian culture and entering into the military culture which you do not understand yet. You could be a Rhodes Scholar or waiving a fresh GED and it won't matter the first time a Drill Sgt singles you out.
You must figure out what is most important to you and then follow your heart, tuck your chin, and go get it.
I wish you luck on your Masters. Just remember, not all post grads make it to their Masters Ceremony.
I wish you luck if SFAS. Statistically, the odds are definitely against you there.
All My Best
blue02hd,
That's pretty damn good advice you gave that young man,lets hope he understands it.....;)
GB TFS :munchin
Utah Bob
06-14-2009, 07:43
I think you need to do some serious soul searching. My impression, based only on your writings here, is that you may not find the military and SF to be what you think.
As mentioned, your advanced degree will not help you gain maturity. Maturity is seldom reached in the world of academia. The sheepskin will not impress neither your Drill Sergeant nor the nasty people bent on using you to earn their marksmanship badges.
You can always earn that MA while in the service. That is the way most do it. West Pointers graduate with a Bachelor's, lace up their boots and go to work.
Good luck to you.
UTAH BOB-
Thanks for your advice and your service. I am sorry though sir I disagree with you that i need to do some "serious soul searching." I know what i want out of my life and how to get it. The original point of this thread was to make sure that 18x would be around when I got done with school, not if I "needed" a masters degree. I think it would be better to me to get my masters in a year and a half right after my BA then wait and try to bog myself down while trying to serve. I think I would have enough on my plate in the army to keep myself busy without trying to earn my masters at the same time. I don't think that an extra year of school will harm me or my ability to serve, and as far as knowing the military life no i do not have the first hand experience but if my "writings" make you think that I am way off base especially about my motivation to join the military/sf then I must ask what was so wrong about it. Also, i am not trying to get my masters to "impress" anyone. I want it because I have the opportunity to finish school in one shot and have it paid for by the army. I might also ask, what experience you have in academia that leads you to believe that it can gain you no maturity and basically has no worth. If your basis is from movies where kids run around and just get drunk and act stupid at every turn I can assure you that that is not how I take my opportunity for schooling, nor do most of the students around me. I think that stereotype of the party 24/7 is the exception not the rule.
While I greatly respect your experience sir, I must disagree with you on this matter.
fng13
The Reaper
06-14-2009, 10:14
UTAH BOB-
Thanks for your advice and your service. I am sorry though sir I disagree with you that i need to do some "serious soul searching." I know what i want out of my life and how to get it. The original point of this thread was to make sure that 18x would be around when I got done with school, not if I "needed" a masters degree. I think it would be better to me to get my masters in a year and a half right after my BA then wait and try to bog myself down while trying to serve. I think I would have enough on my plate in the army to keep myself busy without trying to earn my masters at the same time. I don't think that an extra year of school will harm me or my ability to serve, and as far as knowing the military life no i do not have the first hand experience but if my "writings" make you think that I am way off base especially about my motivation to join the military/sf then I must ask what was so wrong about it. Also, i am not trying to get my masters to "impress" anyone. I want it because I have the opportunity to finish school in one shot and have it paid for by the army. I might also ask, what experience you have in academia that leads you to believe that it can gain you no maturity and basically has no worth. If your basis is from movies where kids run around and just get drunk and act stupid at every turn I can assure you that that is not how I take my opportunity for schooling, nor do most of the students around me. I think that stereotype of the party 24/7 is the exception not the rule.
While I greatly respect your experience sir, I must disagree with you on this matter.
fng13
fng:
You are a guest here. As noted in the Rules, this board is for QPs. I suggest that you mind your manners and check the attitude. I can see the maturity issue from here.
You asked for opinions and got them, from people who have done what you seem to think you want to do. It sounds to me like you already have your mind made up, and are looking for others to validate your decision. Fine, go ahead and do it. None of the strangers here will have to live with the consequeces of your decision.
I disagree with your assessment. You can get a Masters at age 80 as a paraplegic. SF team time is a young man's game. I got my Masters many years after being a team guy, and I do not see any upside to having the degree as a team member. Having said that, you did ask about the 18X program status. The short answer is, no one here knows. As mentioned, that is not the only route to SF.
Given your attitude, I doubt that SF service will be an option for you anyway, at which point, you have signed a contract for six years as an infantryman. You do not need any degrees to go SF. The longer you wait, the older you are and the less time you will have on a team. IMHO, you need to decide if you want a grad degree, or to be SF. The fact that you have asked this question leads me to believe that you do not really want to be an SF soldier. I am sorry if that hurts your feelings. That is based on many years of watching candidates and students in the SFAS/SFQC, and over 20 years in SF. If you do not want to go immediately and get into the job, you are not ready for SF.
TR
Utah Bob
06-14-2009, 17:39
Son, I'm afraid you just don't get it. Hopefully you will.
I do wish you good luck.
Out
Personally, I think the young man has been very polite here....some of you seem to get a tad bent out of shape when a young man doesn't agree with a QPs opinion 100%. As far as age goes, he will only be 23/24 when he completes a masters program. Since when is that old for SF?
I apologize if my posts were construde as being argumentitive or full of attitude, I just didn't think that was a fair shake assesment of my situation. I meant no disrespect. At the start of this thread i was merely looking for an opinion, from those on the inside, of whether or not 18x would be around in a couple years. I got my answers and i thank all of you for posting. I did not mean to imply at all that I was looking for validation on getting my masters. I do hope however that 23/24 is not too old to join, from what i have read on other threads it doesn't seem to be. I really am eager to join but not so much that i am willing to set myself up to fail just to hurry the process up.
I do have one more question and i hope that i am not overstepping and this is no way meant to be disrespectful or sarcastic, this is meant as a real question.
Can you really assess me as incapable of completing sfas based on my public profile and small amount of posting on a single thread? I hope that this is not really the case, because I would sure hate to be damned to lose the race before I get off the blocks.
Thanks again for the insight, and your service.
WCH- thanks for your post
The Reaper
06-15-2009, 09:52
IMHO, anyone who starts out not totally dedicated to selection (the "Tab or Cast" mentality), completely certain of their desires, or looking at anything else as a goal ahead of becoming SF lacks the motivation to succeed when the going gets tough and is not ready for SFAS.
When you are physically spent, injured, emotionally drained, mentally exhausted, and four hours behind on the last leg of your long range individual movement, and you start to wonder if you should have gone to grad school instead, how are you going to motivate yourself to perform?
Since you asked, I have seen a lot of guys who succeeded and even more who have failed, and those selected rarely seemed to have gone through the questions that you are engaging in. They also accepted the opinions offered by QPs and resolutely made up their own minds without a lot of attempts at justification or rationalization of their decisions. When you ask for opinions, accept them gratefully, consider the source, analyze them for applicability, make your own decision, and drive on. Don't quibble about the responses.
Realistically, it doesn't matter if SFAS is there for you in two years or not. If it isn't you join up, soldier your ass off, and put in your packet to attend SFAS as soon as you are eligible.
IMHO, you seem to lack the motivation and total dedication to succeed. I could always be wrong, and standards seem to be at a low point now in favor of numbers. If you manage to make it through, come back and let us know.
Best of luck.
TR
Since you asked, I have seen a lot of guys who succeeded and even more who have failed, and those selected rarely seemed to have gone through the questions that you are engaging in.
I have to concur with this sentiment. Personally, I really never thought about failing - just committed myself to never quitting. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
greenberetTFS
06-15-2009, 10:50
I have to concur with this sentiment. Personally, I really never thought about failing - just committed myself to never quitting.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Agree entirely........ :D I had that same mindset exactly............;)
GB TFS :munchin
IMHO i didn't ask at the beginning of this thread on whether or not i should get my masters. I simply asked if the 18x was likely to still be around when i completed it. I will get my masters and then not ever have to think should i have gotten it while im hauling my ruck in the mud. I also never said anything about not having a strong conviction to join or wanting to quit. IMHO you dont know enough about me to make a judgement about my personality. It seems to me that i was being told opinions that it was falsly assumed i wanted, (i.e. opinions of the worth of a masters degree) then when i tried to correct this miscommunication i am told that this makes me unsuitable for sf. Furthermore I sincerely doubt that every special operations soldier enlisted as soon as he was of age (18). I have never posted on this sight before and as such have tried to be as polite and respectful as men of your stature deserve, but I won't be told i can't do something based on an opinion of someone who knows little to nothing about me. There also does not seem to be a consenses of opinion amongst the QP's that have posted on this thread that 1. getting my masters is a waste of time and/or i should not do 2. that questioning the negative early assessment of my position makes me unfit for service.
fng13
Everybody can be judged whether you think that someone else knows enough about you or not. YOU are not in contol of what others think or in many cases what they do. Like it or not.
The fact that you felt compelled to post your last post is an indicator to me that points to lack of maturity, and ability to objectively view a situation that you are a participant of.
A scan of this thread shows that you got a lot of advice and opinions. Isnt' that what you wanted? So why the pouty-lip post? (This question is rhetorical... I'm not really interested in an answer)
"Appreciate the feedback, thanks." would have worked for a response, but since that wasn't it, I have to assume that you're fishing for an affirmation of your thought process, an apology for others simply giving you feedback that you asked for, or maybe a good old fashioned hug.
My opinion is for you to just do what you want.
However, if you feel that futher flogging of this dead horse is necessary, then my opinion would be that you need to get that Masters. Not because it will help you on a team, but simply to give you more time to mature before you would potentially show up on one.
IMHO i didn't ask at the beginning of this thread on whether or not i should get my masters.
I think I would like to get my masters before signing my 18x.
Based on your original sentence regarding an MA - sure sounds to me as if you were undecided when you asked us about the 18X program.
So - which is it?
If you read the entire thread, you can see very succinctly the logical line of reasoning the answers to your original posting followed - all based on your wording of your postings.
And your name - fng13 - does that stand for effin' new guy marijuana lover - 13 is generally associated with the letter M and drugs - or are you that naive to think we're that naive - or is that just another instance of you not being quite clear in your posting. Think about it - why might someone calling himself fng13 not be taken as seriously as he would like? You've just been granted a HUGE opportunity to learn something you may not get in college - so will you? ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
fng13, If it was known that the 18X enlistment program was being discontinued on 31 Oct 2009, would you put your plans to earn a masters degree on hold and enlist now with a ship date sometime after you get your BA/BS?
If your answer is no, then you shouldn't have started this thread.
thanks for your feedback
i chose fng as my nickname because i thought its something the military folks on here would understand/find humorous. 13 came because that has been my number in sports since i was 5, not as a reference to marijuana.
wch- yes i would, finishing school is my way of taking full advantage of the opportunity i have now before moving on. thats it no big secret or anything. If the 18x program was going to end i would definately forget graduate school. Which is why i started this thread.
thanks
fng13
ps. thanks for again for the help, sorry for being bull headed and not just shutting my mouth and taking in the advice. i will be better.
“He has honor if he holds himself to an ideal of conduct though it is inconvenient, unprofitable, or dangerous to do so.”-Walter Lippmann
ps. thanks for again for the help, sorry for being bull headed and not just shutting my mouth and taking in the advice. i will be better.
Deeds, not words.
The Reaper
06-16-2009, 13:36
IMHO i didn't ask at the beginning of this thread on whether or not i should get my masters. I simply asked if the 18x was likely to still be around when i completed it. I will get my masters and then not ever have to think should i have gotten it while im hauling my ruck in the mud. I also never said anything about not having a strong conviction to join or wanting to quit. IMHO you dont know enough about me to make a judgement about my personality. It seems to me that i was being told opinions that it was falsly assumed i wanted, (i.e. opinions of the worth of a masters degree) then when i tried to correct this miscommunication i am told that this makes me unsuitable for sf. Furthermore I sincerely doubt that every special operations soldier enlisted as soon as he was of age (18). I have never posted on this sight before and as such have tried to be as polite and respectful as men of your stature deserve, but I won't be told i can't do something based on an opinion of someone who knows little to nothing about me. There also does not seem to be a consenses of opinion amongst the QP's that have posted on this thread that 1. getting my masters is a waste of time and/or i should not do 2. that questioning the negative early assessment of my position makes me unfit for service.
fng13
I am sure that you are correct and that none of us are qualified to express an opinion on your character or potential as an SF soldier based upon your comments here.
Drive on with your bad self. Would you like a larger shovel? Keep us informed. Have a very SF day.
TR
OBTW fng13 - the letter "i" - when used as a pronoun anywhere in a sentence - is always capitalized - not just whenever you feel like doing so. Your English teachers must be proud of their efforts. As the man said, "Deeds, not words." ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Utah Bob
06-16-2009, 14:17
Originally Posted by fng13 View Post
UTAH BOB-
Thanks for your advice and your service. I am sorry though sir I disagree with you that i need to do some "serious soul searching." I know what i want out of my life and how to get it. The original point of this thread was to make sure that 18x would be around when I got done with school, not if I "needed" a masters degree. I think it would be better to me to get my masters in a year and a half right after my BA then wait and try to bog myself down while trying to serve. I think I would have enough on my plate in the army to keep myself busy without trying to earn my masters at the same time. I don't think that an extra year of school will harm me or my ability to serve, and as far as knowing the military life no i do not have the first hand experience but if my "writings" make you think that I am way off base especially about my motivation to join the military/sf then I must ask what was so wrong about it. Also, i am not trying to get my masters to "impress" anyone. I want it because I have the opportunity to finish school in one shot and have it paid for by the army. I might also ask, what experience you have in academia that leads you to believe that it can gain you no maturity and basically has no worth. If your basis is from movies where kids run around and just get drunk and act stupid at every turn I can assure you that that is not how I take my opportunity for schooling, nor do most of the students around me. I think that stereotype of the party 24/7 is the exception not the rule.
While I greatly respect your experience sir, I must disagree with you on this matter.
fng13
Son, your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking. I never said academia has no worth. I said it will not mature you as you think it will. I stand by that.
And to suggest that my only experience was gleaned from watching wacky college movies is also just a bit off base. Don't stereotype us old dogs. I have been around the block a time or two.
Don't thank me for my service and advice and then argue and think you can poke me by suggesting that my experience was gleaned by watching wacky college movies.
Looks like you always have to get the last word in too.
You have a LOT of maturing to do. I doubt you'll do it in SF.
Keep it up and you'll get on my bad side. You aren't there yet.
greenberetTFS
06-16-2009, 16:14
Son, your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking. I never said academia has no worth. I said it will not mature you as you think it will. I stand by that.
And to suggest that my only experience was gleaned from watching wacky college movies is also just a bit off base. Don't stereotype us old dogs. I have been around the block a time or two.
Don't thank me for my service and advice and then argue and think you can poke me by suggesting that my experience was gleaned by watching wacky college movies.
Looks like you always have to get the last word in too.
You have a LOT of maturing to do. I doubt you'll do it in SF.
Keep it up and you'll get on my bad side. You aren't there yet.
UB,
This young man is starting to piss me off....... :mad: I'll get him off your back and put him on mine.......Young man,you best get your shit together..... :mad: You try to talk the talk,but fail miserably on walking the walk....Your going to need a very serious attitude adjustment if you expect to get thru SFQC.....:mad: If you can't honestly respect us,you should try another site.....
GB TFS :munchin
Wait for it....
Wait....
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