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Demolition Training
I have been think about joining the Army with a MOS of 18C, I was wondering about the demolition part. During the training do they teach you chemistry and why it happens, the rate of reaction and that sort of stuff, or do they teach you to just put certain things together?
I am currently taking a High School Chemistry class that is sort of why I am asking. I had fun making fire from water, but my teacher won’t let me do it again he said it was for my safety !!! 
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03-07-2005, 09:44
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I have been think about joining the Army with a MOS of 18C, I was wondering about the demolition part. During the training do they teach you chemistry and why it happens, the rate of reaction and that sort of stuff, or do they teach you to just put certain things together?
I am currently taking a High School Chemistry class that is sort of why I am asking. I had fun making fire from water, but my teacher won’t let me do it again he said it was for my safety !!! |
72W:
There is insufficient time in the SFQC to teach you everything that you need to know to do your job, much less Chem 101.
You will be taught only what you need to know. It is up to you and your first team if you want to learn more.
Good luck.
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03-07-2005, 13:33
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to amplify what The Reaper said, the profession of arms is a state of continual education...you never know enough, you are never strong enough, fast enough or smart enough...within the profession of arms, you are never close to strong enough, fast enough, smart enough, experienced enough...at least, you should approach your profession, any profession, that way...
a Special Froces engineer needs a knowledge of chemistry, soil science, water treatment, infantry weapons, construction theory, and even more, to be effective as an engineer and demolitions specialist...
the one thing you need to develop a mastery of, is mathematics...that is an important building block for an engineer sergeant...
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03-07-2005, 14:17
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Mechanic or artist
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I have been think about joining the Army with a MOS of 18C,
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A wise old SF demo man once told me "I'll teach you the basics, the rest is up to your imagination."
So the next question is "Are you going to be a mechanic or an artist?" Anybody can be taught the basics on the employment of explosives, even medics .
Anybody can go out on a range, place a bunch of plastic explosives on a target and blow the crap out of it. Is that what you want to do? See big bangs?
Engineers in the old days took pride in their abilities. Multiple cases of beer were bet by teams on non-electric shots. Winners and losers were measured in seconds. We would spend hours setting up a linear shape charge out of C-4 and write team names on 1/8" steel plate. Bend the plate and you just lost.
The non-standard stuff should be for another time and classroom.
The demo stuff is a small part of being an SF Engineer Sergeant.
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03-07-2005, 14:35
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Anybody can be taught the basics on the employment of explosives, even medics
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03-07-2005, 15:22
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Pete's in a generous mood...and his shot record is up to date...
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03-07-2005, 15:31
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Pete's in a generous mood...and his shot record is up to date... |
Funny, I bet that his Medical Records indicate that he needs everything all over again.
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03-07-2005, 16:03
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Funny, I bet that his Medical Records indicate that he needs everything all over again.
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I kept one copy of my shot records and the medics kept the other. I made sure both were updated at the same time.
Paybacks from the medics came with the G.G. shots. If they were pissed at you they would take the stuff right out of the frig, load up the needle and push the plunger. Change your stance and then you got the next load in the other cheek. If they liked you or were in a good mood they would let you warm it up in your hands for a few minutes.
As we limped out we would ask "Is this shot work for anything?" They would reply with "Don't know but you gotta' get it anyway."
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03-07-2005, 23:35
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Sirs, thank you for the answers, I now understand even more that my career is based on wanting to do something and wanting to learn more about. I never doubted that I would have to learn more constantly, it is the only way we learn new things.
The mastery of mathematics, the public school has done well in teaching me how to count and multiple, and they have successfully beat a few formulas into my head.
I have always been imaginative on how to get something done and “usually” it worked. Living on a small farm and being told as a younger kid. “Go see if you can do it yourself first.” When I asked for help and I soon stopped asking until I tired to do something at least twice. I soon noticed that a couple of times the crazy ideas that I thought would fail actually worked.
Have a good day.
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03-08-2005, 21:53
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How come they always want to blow things up? That's what you teach Bravos - the Deltas are there to count fingers when the exercise is over. If they have the same number when they finished as they did when they started, the Charlie gets a "GO" for instructional technique (for that class). Charlies earn their paycheck building things. They get bonuses (the first cold beer in five months) for supervising major construction projects - like base camps in the Bolivian jungle that the termites won't eat while you're sleeping in it some night. Ask the guys on the first teams into Chimorre how their engineers earned a paycheck. Or for you really old farts - Vietnam. True - breaching, and sometimes bridges, requires a little artistry but that's something you let them do as a reward when their real work is done. Peregrino
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03-08-2005, 21:55
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How come they always want to blow things up?
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more fun, less work...
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03-08-2005, 23:29
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Sir’s, I agree. Blowing stuff up isn’t the only think that made me decided to become and engineer. I have always enjoyed taking stuff apart and seeing how it worked and putting it back together.
But there was one exception, I found a half way broke belt in my mothers bread making machine, I told her about the belt and asked her if I could have the bread machine. She answered me hurriedly, “yeah sure”. Thirty minutes later, I was getting yelled at, “you did what… that was my good bread machine”, I explained that she had told me earlier that I could have it, I showed her the belt and she was like “Nothing I can do now, its broke”. Trust me it was broke. The belt was shredded long ways into separate belts only connected at a few places by some kind of glue.
Once I took apart three remote control cars that where broke (various things wrong with them) and I built one that worked. It had so much duck tape on it that when it went into a deep rut in our driveway that was filled full of water, it floated.
Those are just a few things that I like to do, I am currently constructing a platform about 8 foot of the ground using trees that I have cut down and taken the bark off of. The tools I have used on it are; saw, ropes, machete, counter weights (old house window weights, used to counter the weight of the log when I left it up, works really well when you use the friction on the rope the correct way) knife, and tractor only to move the trees out of the woods.
Hope this makes things a bit clearer, if not just let me know and I will try again.
Have a great day, Sir’s
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03-09-2005, 05:22
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How come they always want to blow things up? That's what you teach Bravos - the Deltas are there to count fingers when the exercise is over. If they have the same number when they finished as they did when they started, the Charlie gets a "GO" for instructional technique (for that class). Charlies earn their paycheck building things. They get bonuses (the first cold beer in five months) for supervising major construction projects
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HAHA...During the course Phase IV was building a guerilla base. Where did they get the bodies to build it? The Echo commitee. Guess that's what you could call cross-training.
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03-09-2005, 06:20
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I know 18Ds knew things, that is why I always relied on 18Ds to "procure" the chemicals and agents for our improvised demo and first fire mixtures. I thought it was only fair that you got involved as the 18Cs provided good training opportunities for burns, splinters and various contusions.
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How come they always want to blow things up? That's what you teach Bravos - the Deltas are there to count fingers when the exercise is over. If they have the same number when they finished as they did when they started, the Charlie gets a "GO" for instructional technique (for that class). Charlies earn their paycheck building things. They get bonuses (the first cold beer in five months) for supervising major construction projects - like base camps in the Bolivian jungle that the termites won't eat while you're sleeping in it some night. Ask the guys on the first teams into Chimorre how their engineers earned a paycheck. Or for you really old farts - Vietnam. True - breaching, and sometimes bridges, requires a little artistry but that's something you let them do as a reward when their real work is done. Peregrino
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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