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Old 11-07-2017, 16:14   #31
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Great discussion. For other readers benefit I'll just drop the complete applicable portion of the federal statute here - with link.

18 USC § 922(d)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

...(d)It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1)is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(2)is a fugitive from justice;
(3)is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4)has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
(5)who, being an alien—
(A)is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B)except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
(6)who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7)who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
(8)is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that—
(A)was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and
(B)
(i)includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or
(ii)by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
(9)has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.
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Old 11-07-2017, 16:30   #32
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Here's a link to a communist state and their take on firearm transfers between individuals.

https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/a...on=presentHome

Massachusetts General Law c. 140, §§128A and 128B, requires all individuals who sell, transfer, inherit, or lose a firearm to report the sale, transfer, inheritance, or loss of the firearms to the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services Firearms Records Bureau (FRB). This on-line system will allow you to report the sale, transfer, inheritance, or loss/theft data electronically to the FRB.

Before you continue, you should have the following information available:

A detailed description of the transferred weapon (serial number/make/model/caliber etc.)
The Seller/Transferor's license information
The Buyer/Transferee's license information
Additionally:

It is unlawful to conduct a personal sale or transfer of a weapon to anyone other than an individual lawfully licensed in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. It is strongly recommended that you require the buyer/transferee to produce a valid FID/LTC License Validation Certificate (obtained by the buyer/transferee using this system) prior to conducting a personal sale or transfer.
You may need your PIN number to complete a transaction. You may obtain your PIN number at your licensing authority.

NOTICE: Firearms records are exempted from the public records statute. G.L c.4,§7 (clause twenty-six)(j). FRB may not disseminate firearms records "to any person, firm, corporation, entity or agency except criminal justice agencies as defined in chapter six and except to the extent such information relates solely to the person making the request and is necessary to the official interests of the entity making the request." G.L. c. 66, § 10(d).
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Old 11-07-2017, 16:50   #33
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Thanks for that. Personally I do the same, RE those known well to me. Unknown transaction down in the commie enclave of Madison?... nah, few reasonable people to be found.
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Old 11-07-2017, 18:32   #34
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Trump says extreme vetting for Texas shooter would have made 'no difference'

ALEXANDER MALLIN
Good Morning America
November 7, 2017

President Trump said Tuesday that new gun laws would have made "no difference" in preventing the massacre at a church service in Sutherland Springs, Texas, that left 26 people dead.

Trump was asked during a press conference in South Korea about his recent comments calling for "extreme vetting" immediately following the New York City terror attack, and whether he would favor similar scrutiny for those looking to purchase firearms.

"If you did what you're suggesting, there would have been no difference three days ago," Trump said, before turning to praise the actions of a bystander who engaged the shooter following his rampage. "You might not have had that very brave person who happened to have a gun or a rifle in his truck, go out and shoot him and hit him and neutralize him."

The president added, "I can only say this. If [the neighbor] didn't have a gun, instead of 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead. So that's the way I feel about it, not going to help."


The suspected shooter, Devin Kelley, 26, served in the Air Force but was court martialed in 2012 on charges of assault and aggravated assault on his spouse and a child. Authorities said Monday that his gun purchases were allowed because there was no prohibited info in the federal background check system, the Air Force has since acknowledged it did not report Kelley's convictions to the FBI.

The president was briefed on developments in the shooting while in Japan, and said soon after that it should be credited to a "mental health problem" and not U.S. gun laws.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-says...opstories.html
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Democrats responsible for Texas shooter's gun purchases?
Old 11-08-2017, 07:49   #35
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Democrats responsible for Texas shooter's gun purchases?

Democrats filibustered legislation in 2013 that would have required the Air Force to report that conviction to the FBI for record, Senator Ted Cruz has revealed.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/cr..._campaign=COTR

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“In 2013, in the wake of Sandy Hook, I joined with Chuck Grassley, we introduced legislation that was called the Grassley-Cruz legislation. And it was aggressive legislation targeting felons and violent criminals to stop them from getting guns.

There were a couple of elements to that legislation that were critical. One, it mandated that federal agencies, including the Air Force, report to the NICS because that was a problem back then.”
Democrats, progressives and other communists aren't really interested in "common sense" legislation, just total control.

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Old 11-08-2017, 12:27   #36
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Democrats filibustered legislation in 2013 that would have required the Air Force to report that conviction to the FBI for record, Senator Ted Cruz has revealed.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/cr..._campaign=COTR



Democrats, progressives and other communists aren't really interested in "common sense" legislation, just total control.

The funding vehicle is something I would oppose:

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funded through the Asset Forfeiture Fund.
Civil Asset Forfeiture is one of the great evils permitted by government and LEO, seize the property and charge the property rather than the individual to ensure LEO keeps the money. It is horribly abused in many states.
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:39   #37
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The funding vehicle is something I would oppose:

Civil Asset Forfeiture is one of the great evils permitted by government and LEO, seize the property and charge the property rather than the individual to ensure LEO keeps the money. It is horribly abused in many states.
+1 The list of people exonerated, even rapidly, who've never been able to recover their stuff (property and/or cash assets) is sadly a very long one.
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Old 11-08-2017, 13:24   #38
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•Robert Scott Marshall, 56
•Karen Sue Marshall, 56
•Keith Allen Braden, 62
•Tara E. McNulty, 33
•Annabelle Renae Pomeroy, 14
•Peggy Lynn Warden, 56
•Dennis Neil Johnson, Sr. 77
•Sara Johns Johnson, 68
•Lula Woicinski White, 71
•Joann Lookingbill Ward, 30
•Brooke Bryanne Ward 5
•Robert Michael Corrigan 51
•Shani Louise Corrigan, 51
•Therese Sagan Rodriguez, 66
•Ricardo Cardona Rodriguez, 64
•Haley Krueger, 16
•Emily Garcia, 7
•Emily Rose Hill, 11
•Gregory Lynn Hill, 13
•Megan Gail Hill, 9
•Marc Daniel Holcombe, 36
•Noah Holcombe, 1
•Karla Plain Holcombe, 58
•John Bryan Holcombe, 60
•Crystal Marie Holcombe, 36 (pregnant)
•Carlin Brite "Billy Bob" Holcombe (fetus)


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/08...-children.html
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Old 11-08-2017, 15:42   #39
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Civil Asset Forfeiture is one of the great evils permitted by government and LEO, seize the property and charge the property rather than the individual to ensure LEO keeps the money. It is horribly abused in many states.
I agree. It wouldn't have been a perfect law, even with CAF taken out.

But it sure needs to be rubbed in gun grabbers faces that Dems are responsible for refusing to pass a "common sense gun law."
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Old 11-08-2017, 18:54   #40
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Speaking of gun laws why have the Republican majority passed national reciposity. They are no better than the Dems.
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Old 11-08-2017, 19:25   #41
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•Robert Scott Marshall, 56
•Karen Sue Marshall, 56
•Keith Allen Braden, 62
•Tara E. McNulty, 33
•Annabelle Renae Pomeroy, 14
•Peggy Lynn Warden, 56
•Dennis Neil Johnson, Sr. 77
•Sara Johns Johnson, 68
•Lula Woicinski White, 71
•Joann Lookingbill Ward, 30
•Brooke Bryanne Ward 5
•Robert Michael Corrigan 51
•Shani Louise Corrigan, 51
•Therese Sagan Rodriguez, 66
•Ricardo Cardona Rodriguez, 64
•Haley Krueger, 16
•Emily Garcia, 7
•Emily Rose Hill, 11
•Gregory Lynn Hill, 13
•Megan Gail Hill, 9
•Marc Daniel Holcombe, 36
•Noah Holcombe, 1
•Karla Plain Holcombe, 58
•John Bryan Holcombe, 60
•Crystal Marie Holcombe, 36 (pregnant)
•Carlin Brite "Billy Bob" Holcombe (fetus)


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/08...-children.html
Thank you sir, for posting the victims identities.

Nothing really more to add.


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Old 11-08-2017, 19:27   #42
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Speaking of gun laws why have the Republican majority passed national reciposity. They are no better than the Dems.
No, really they are not; it's different marketing. Like the name-brand vs. "Great Value" or some such. The list of stuff that should have been done by now is a long one; but then they've only had the majority for, what, couple days...?


Probably not a bad time for some to re-read The Letter here; especially those who may have arrived after that effort was completed (coming up on 4 YEARS ago) who may not have read it yet. There is (still) a full PDF available for circulation in Post #5 of that thread.
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Old 11-08-2017, 22:51   #43
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[QUOTE=SouthernDZ;634942]•Robert Scott Marshall, 56
•Karen Sue Marshall, 56
•Keith Allen Braden, 62
•Tara E. McNulty, 33
•Annabelle Renae Pomeroy, 14
•Peggy Lynn Warden, 56
•Dennis Neil Johnson, Sr. 77
•Sara Johns Johnson, 68
•Lula Woicinski White, 71
•Joann Lookingbill Ward, 30
•Brooke Bryanne Ward 5
•Robert Michael Corrigan 51
•Shani Louise Corrigan, 51
•Therese Sagan Rodriguez, 66
•Ricardo Cardona Rodriguez, 64
•Haley Krueger, 16
•Emily Garcia, 7
•Emily Rose Hill, 11
•Gregory Lynn Hill, 13
•Megan Gail Hill, 9
•Marc Daniel Holcombe, 36
•Noah Holcombe, 1
•Karla Plain Holcombe, 58
•John Bryan Holcombe, 60
•Crystal Marie Holcombe, 36 (pregnant)
•Carlin Brite "Billy Bob" Holcombe (fetus)


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/08...-children.html[/ Any loss of life, in such circumstances is horrible, but to see all the names...Wow! Thank you for posting and God Rest their souls.
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Interview with Stephen Willeford, Describes Stopping Gunman | Louder With Crowder
Old 11-09-2017, 06:12   #44
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Interview with Stephen Willeford, Describes Stopping Gunman | Louder With Crowder

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...&v=B4HEchh0XD8

Some after action to think about.

Thank you Stephen for explaining what happened from your side.
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Thank you sir, for posting the victims identities.

Nothing really more to add.


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The msm stated yesterday that there are only 25 shooting victims, not 26 as "Billy Bob Holcombe" doesn't really count.
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