01-11-2015, 20:55
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Young QP's
What is the youngest you've ever seen someone -
A. Get Selected in SFAS
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B. Serve on an ODA (make it through SFQC)
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01-11-2015, 23:04
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Why?
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01-11-2015, 23:25
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01-12-2015, 05:48
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Maturity? 20 instead of 19=more mature, eh? What are you implying, that it "suggests maturity"? I would say that an 18y/o 18x that went 18D would be 20 by graduation. Mature, I guess.
Maturity is not an age, it is a state of mind. Heck, there are 40 year old children and mature 10 year olds.
One of my indicators of the LACK of maturity, is speaking when you should be listening. Think about it.
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01-12-2015, 09:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakedeep
What is the youngest you've ever seen someone -
A. Get Selected in SFAS
-----and-----
B. Serve on an ODA (make it through SFQC)
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Something to remember, you must be an E-5 to serve on an (active duty) ODA or an O-3. An E-6 on an A-Team is a Jr. 18.
SEALS have E-1's and O-1's.
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01-12-2015, 09:37
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I enlisted on a SF contract out of High School right after I turned 18 in 83'. Fall of 84' I was a SP4 on a ODA at 19 (went in as a PFC). So SF has had young kids in its ranks in the past. Few others with me graduated the Q course as PFC's.
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01-12-2015, 09:42
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Originally Posted by Combat Diver
I enlisted on a SF contract out of High School right after I turned 18 in 83'. Fall of 84' I was a SP4 on a ODA at 19 (went in as a PFC). So SF has had young kids in its ranks in the past. Few others with me graduated the Q course as PFC's.
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You had to have made E-5 very soon after. I was also E-4 in training and received E-5 about the same time I graduated. (May-83)
I don't think I've ever seen an E-4 on an A-team..... Don't think I'd want to be that guy..... 
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01-12-2015, 10:52
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Selected at 18
My Q school class, 1969, was mostly E-3's and E-4 and we went to group with that rank.
AFTER our class, all subsequent graduates were given E-5 at graduation.
All E-5 allocations went to training group grads, so the men I graduated with were outranked by their juniors for a year or more.
I know this is ancient history, I served on an ODA as a Spec4, 19 years old and spent too many days on KP, Guard duty and aggressor detail, junior rank you know.
It's all good now, 45 years later.
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01-12-2015, 12:17
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The good old days
........................when 30% of the Company lived in the Barracks. 5th & 7th Group in the mid to late 70's.
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01-12-2015, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I don't think I've ever seen an E-4 on an A-team..... Don't think I'd want to be that guy..... |
When I arrived, I was given the E-5 insignia to wear until I was eligible for promotion. Did make E-5 lightning fast.
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01-12-2015, 12:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by miclo18d
One of my indicators of the LACK of maturity, is speaking when you should be listening. Think about it.
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Cogent teaching moment right there.
Belongs in the What Advice Would an SF Soldier Give? Thread which the OP should peruse.
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01-12-2015, 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
You had to have made E-5 very soon after. I was also E-4 in training and received E-5 about the same time I graduated. (May-83)
I don't think I've ever seen an E-4 on an A-team..... Don't think I'd want to be that guy..... |
There were many on A-teams in the 60s. SP4 John Walton* (SF Medic) was awarded the Silver Star while serving in MACVSOG, not on an A, buttttttttttt!
*Sam's son.
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01-12-2015, 15:40
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Originally Posted by WCH
There were many on A-teams in the 60s. SP4 John Walton* (SF Medic) was awarded the Silver Star while serving in MACVSOG, not on an A, buttttttttttt!
*Sam's son.
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I was still in diapers in the 60's..... 
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01-12-2015, 15:48
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Quote:
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I was still in diapers in the 60's..... |
Lot's of people are in diapers in their 60's.....
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01-12-2015, 16:43
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I signed up for SF as an E-1 in BCT at 20 years old. The deal was, Richard correct me if I am wrong, was that as we successfully graduated certain points, we would get promoted. I made E-2 in BCT, E-3 completing jump school, E-4(Sp4) getting through Phase I and SGT E-5 graduating from Phase III. I was drafted in July of 1970 and made E-5 in May of 1971. The SGM that gave me my promotion orders was pissed. He said it took him 6 years to make E-5. I was fortunate in that I hit every school date and already knew morse code when I got to Commo School, shortening Phase II, considerably.
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