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Old 03-05-2014, 17:37   #1
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CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee

CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee

Who watches the watchers.... I know this is from the Guardian, but appears not to be covered by the MSM. If true, this sounds like NSA, not CIA, and could start a constitutional dilemma / crisis .

Imagine the potential ---"Here is the list of questions the committee will ask you today sir (with our researched answers), Note that we have to clean up this area, discredit this source, and by the way.. it looks like JONES is providing the oversight committee with information... we should have a talk with him about his job prospects if he lost his clearance"

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Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee

A leading US senator has said that President Obama knew of an “unprecedented action” taken by the CIA against the Senate intelligence committee,
The subtle reference in a Tuesday letter from Senator Mark Udall to Obama..... threatens to plunge the White House into a battle between the agency and its Senate overseers.

the CIA had secretly monitored computers used by committee staffers preparing the inquiry report, which is said to be scathing not only about the brutality and ineffectiveness of the agency’s interrogation techniques but deception by the CIA to Congress and policymakers about it.

Independent observers were unaware of a precedent for the CIA spying on the congressional committees.... “In the worst case, it would be a subversion of independent oversight, and a violation of separation of powers,”

the prospect of the agency spying on its Senate overseers who prepared their own inquiry potentially places the agency right back into the legal morass it has labored for years to avoid.

the CIA confirmed.... that it is subject to the Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a crime to access government computer networks without authorization

“If, as alleged in the media, CIA accessed without permission or authority a computer network dedicated for use by a Senate committee, it would be an extremely serious matter. Such activity, if it occurred as alleged, would impede Congress’ ability to carry out its constitutional oversight responsibilities and could violate federal law,”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...mittee-torture
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Old 03-05-2014, 18:24   #2
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Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee

A leading US senator has said that President Obama knew of an “unprecedented action” taken by the CIA against the Senate intelligence committee,
The subtle reference in a Tuesday letter from Senator Mark Udall to Obama..... threatens to plunge the White House into a battle between the agency and its Senate overseers.

the CIA had secretly monitored computers used by committee staffers preparing the inquiry report, which is said to be scathing not only about the brutality and ineffectiveness of the agency’s interrogation techniques but deception by the CIA to Congress and policymakers about it.
Okay what makes this any difference from Watergate? I mean it is tapping, computers here and not telephones or rooms, etc.
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Old 03-06-2014, 23:09   #3
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Okay what makes this any difference from Watergate? I mean it is tapping, computers here and not telephones or rooms, etc.
MtnGoat,

It is like watergate, but no one has the balls to threaten impeachment on Obama.....

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Old 03-07-2014, 03:19   #4
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I know it is, but I don't think the reason is because members are ball less. I if so many members on both side are tied into "things." If everyone is living in glass houses who's going to throw the first rock kind of thing.
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The difference
Old 03-07-2014, 04:47   #5
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Okay what makes this any difference from Watergate? I mean it is tapping, computers here and not telephones or rooms, etc.
The difference is Nixon was a Republican and Obama is a Democrat.

Since that is the case the MSM says "No harm, no foul" move on and the low information voters flip back to American Idol - or that new cooking show.
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Okay then why aren't the Republicans cry foul? I get what you are saying, but not much reported on this.
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:59   #7
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I know this is from the Guardian, but appears not to be covered by the MSM. If true, this sounds like NSA, not CIA, and could start a constitutional dilemma / crisis .
I think you have it backwards. If it's from the Guardian it's true, MSM not true. The Guardian are the people running Snowden. This is from the Snowden leaks. But you are right. I can't believe that this isn't a bigger story.
The US government has always been a direct reflection of our society at the time. Right now most Americans just don't give a shit. We get the government we deserve.
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Okay then why aren't the Republicans cry foul? I get what you are saying, but not much reported on this.
The GOP-e still wants to do lunch with the Prez, Harry R and his posse.
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Old 03-07-2014, 07:26   #9
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The GOP-e still wants to do lunch with the Prez, Harry R and his posse.
I don't see any benefit for any of them other than a personal gain, or kicking the cans down the road. So why would they want to spend time with the people who are responsible for demonizing them on such a consistent basis?
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The US government has always been a direct reflection of our society at the time. Right now most Americans just don't give a shit. We get the government we deserve.
You're totally correct on are politicians are a reflection of current society, which is early soup sandwich.
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Old 03-08-2014, 14:37   #11
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Behind Clash Between C.I.A. and Congress, a Secret Report on Interrogations

It was early December when the Central Intelligence Agency began to suspect it had suffered what it regarded as an embarrassing computer breach.

Investigators for the Senate Intelligence Committee, working in the basement of a C.I.A. facility in Northern Virginia, had obtained an internal agency review summarizing thousands of documents related to the agency’s detention and interrogation program. Parts of the C.I.A. report cast a particularly harsh light on the program, the same program the agency was in the midst of defending in a prolonged dispute with the intelligence committee.

What the C.I.A. did next opened a new and even more rancorous chapter in the struggle over how the history of the interrogation program will be written. Agency officials began scouring the digital logs of the computer network used by the Senate staff members to try to learn how and where they got the report. Their search not only raised constitutional questions about the propriety of an intelligence agency investigating its congressional overseers, but has also resulted in two parallel inquiries by the Justice Department — one into the C.I.A. and one into the committee.

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When I read an article on the same subject, it read to me as something we all expect in our jobs of proper use of automation and handling of sensitive material.

You click yes to consent in monitoring when you log into AKO. You consent to it when you sign your AUP. Even on your home PC.

I read this as the Agency was practicing their own review processes to monitor traffic and use of removable media, print jobs, etc.

I wouldn't say this is spying on them, I'd say that the staffers should get what they deserve for wrongfully removing info not cleared for the purposes. The staffers are doing bidding by someone seeking power and dirt. This is political posturing to remove themselves and establish cases against politicians who sanctioned the programs (successful or not) as we near mid-terms and the inevitable shitstorm that will ensue for 2016.

House Committee members for Intelligence and Budgets associated will be rolled out for failure to toe the party line.

On the surface it looks like another "domestic spying case". To me it looks like people are getting cleaning supplies on hand to wipe the house, hands and staff clean of any associations.
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From the NYT article
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From the NYT article

that Richard posted.
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Their search... has also resulted in two parallel inquiries by the Justice Department — one into the C.I.A. and one into the committee.
Now we're into the YGBSM realm. Can successfully kicked down road.

1. Get caught.
2. Express outrage.
3. Launch inquiry.
4. Grab latte' and put out more staff PR guidance indicating the new topic they don't have to answer questions about because it's "under investigation."

Rinse, repeat PRN.
Plus ca change...
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Update: Sen. Feinstein, Intel committee chair, made an extended speech this morning on the floor (while I laughed over my breakfast) about how outraged she was at the 180° view of this that is being perpetuated by the media against the committee and her staff, and furious at the CIA on a number of fronts. Gosh, gee-willickers - she was really pissed.*

Counter-Outrage expressed: check.



* Breakfast was just fine, thanks - I was listening, not watching.
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Update: Sen. Feinstein, Intel committee chair, made an extended speech this morning on the floor (while I laughed over my breakfast) about how outraged she was at the 180° view of this that is being perpetuated by the media against the committee and her staff, and furious at the CIA on a number of fronts. Gosh, gee-willickers - she was really pissed.*

Counter-Outrage expressed: check.



* Breakfast was just fine, thanks - I was listening, not watching.
Someone should just give her one of those little pills for women that cure bitchy.
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