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Old 02-23-2015, 12:26   #1
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Liberals, Stop Lying About Everything
Kurt Schlichter | Feb 23, 2015
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The last few weeks have raised a critical question for all Americans: Is the liberal elite unbelievably dumb or unbelievably cynical? Do our over-credentialed, under-educated, would-be betters actually believe the bullstuff they are shoveling, or do they really think that we normal Americans are so stupid that they can lie to our faces and we will just take it?

I’m guessing Door Number Two. Liberals know they are full of it; they just think the rest of us are as foolish as the welfare-guzzling mouth-breathers who vote for them.

It’s time for the lies to stop.

Liberals, stop lying about the weather. There is no climate change crisis. Whatever changes our climate is undergoing are part and parcel of the natural processes that have been going on since the Earth was formed. All the massaged, manhandled, and manufactured data in the world won’t change the simple fact that this is a naked grab for money and power by a liberal elite so concerned about carbon they choose to dump gazillions of pounds of it into the air jetting off to party with their denier denying pals.

Forty years ago we were going into an ice age, and the solution was to give more power and money to liberal elites. Ten years ago, we were a decade away from the Arctic ice cap melting and the polar bears being parboiled, and the solution was to give more power and money to liberal elites. I don’t even want to guess what the next lie is going to be about the perpetual crisis around the corner, but I know to an absolute certainty that the solution is going to be giving more power and money to liberal elites.

Liberals, stop lying about our war with radical Muslims. This bloodshed isn’t “random.” This isn’t about “violent extremism.” Mass enslavement, mutilation and murder isn’t “workplace violence,” and these semi-human freaks aren’t going to stop if someone hands them a mop, bucket and paycheck.

We are at war – war – with radical Islam, and we need to end the lies, the equivocation and dissembling and speak the truth. Our enemies think they are Muslims, and they think the Koran commands their actions. This isn’t about theology – whether their version of Islam is a misunderstanding or misinterpretation is utterly irrelevant. They think they’re pious Muslims even if we, as well as most of the world’s Muslims, disagree.

Liberals babble about how we Americans don’t understand other cultures, but when understanding other cultures becomes inconvenient to their progressive ideology, liberals cease trying to understand and mask the inconvenient truth by applying their own prejudices and preconceptions. That’s what they’ve done to the jihadis. These guys aren’t upset about the 1% not paying them a living wage; they’re upset about the other 99% living at all.

Well, here’s a conservative who says it’s critical to understand the radical Muslims. We need to fully appreciate how they think, their goals, their ideas, their feelings. Understanding them will help us more effectively hunt down and kill them.

Liberals, stop lying about sexual assault. We need to teach liberals not to rape. Where’s the study showing the political affiliation of the majority of incarcerated sex criminals? You know there isn’t one that finds it’s “Republican” because if there was, we’d have seen Brian Williams yapping about it between stories about how he raised the flag at Iwo Jima.

And no, there is no “rape culture.” That’s a lie liberal feminists constructed to solidify their politically-useful victim status and to indict their political opponents without the inconvenience and hassle of actually offering facts and evidence in support of their positions. Like the big lie that both frigid cold and burning heat conclusively prove global warming, the existence of an all-encompassing rape culture is demonstrated both by the agreement that it exists and the denial that it exists. No wonder liberals hate due process – they can’t afford a search for the truth because the risk is too great that someone might find it.

Liberals, stop lying about illegal aliens. They aren’t all hardworking and they aren’t all here because they love America and have dreams and stuff. Some are criminals. Some are bums. None were invited. Their problems are a result of their choices. We owe them nothing. Want out of the shadows? Go home.

Liberals, stop lying about race. There’s a word for people who do as liberals do and assess an individual’s every action, opinion and idea based upon where the subject individual’s great-grandfather came from. That word is “racist.” Here’s some truth: The only mainstream ideology within the American political spectrum that is in any coherent sense racist is liberalism.

Liberals, stop lying about welfare. We all know that your place in life is the result of your good and bad choices. The poor aren’t poor because the Koch brothers went and made them drop out of high school and focus on bong hits instead of calculus.

Liberals, stop lying about taxes. People like us who actually contribute to society by working aren’t bad or greedy because we get mad at our money being taken to subsidize freeloaders. We’re normal.

Liberals, stop lying about Obamacare. That would mean you can never speak of it again.

Liberals, stop lying about Christians and Jews. Our country was built upon a Judeo-Christian foundation, and without it America would just be another festering boil of hideous pathologies like the majority of this planet. There’s no secret cabal of cross and star-clinging theocrats out there just waiting to ruin the liberal’s party – America is not about to be Footloosed even in the off chance it was to elect a Mike Huckabee. Hell, the only people interested in getting into Americans’ bedrooms are the liberal feminists who want to crawl through the window with a notary to ensure there’s proper documentation of the horny co-ed’s consent to let her beau ‘round second base.

Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton. Lena Dunham. Jon Gruber. That woman with the glasses who thinks we should carpet bomb ISIS with want ads. All liberals. All liars.

Liberals, stop lying about everything.

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Old 02-23-2015, 12:29   #2
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Old 02-23-2015, 14:02   #3
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Liberals, stop lying about the weather. There is no climate change crisis. Whatever changes our climate is undergoing are part and parcel of the natural processes that have been going on since the Earth was formed. All the massaged, manhandled, and manufactured data in the world won’t change the simple fact that this is a naked grab for money and power by a liberal elite so concerned about carbon they choose to dump gazillions of pounds of it into the air jetting off to party with their denier denying pals.

Forty years ago we were going into an ice age, and the solution was to give more power and money to liberal elites. Ten years ago, we were a decade away from the Arctic ice cap melting and the polar bears being parboiled, and the solution was to give more power and money to liberal elites.
While there is a lot of truth in what he is saying about the paranoia and the attempt at a power grab in the name of said paranoia, that doesn't mean that global climate change is a lie. There is a lot of hard science to it. You have to remember, we humans pump tens of billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the air each year. And CO2 is one of the primary greenhouse gases in our atmosphere that keeps our planet warm. That pumping a lot more in could cause the climate to change isn't a crazy hypothesis. My understanding is that scientists are pretty much 100% sure now that the climate is increasing and that it is due to humans pumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

What is not fact is when people get into the claims about how climate change is going to cause the weather to go all haywire and the world to end and we thus have to give massive control over to the government so it can micromanage our lives in the name of saving us. That said though, the concern is that we could cause the climate to change in a manner that could wreak havoc in ways. For example, scientists know that the climate has changed rapidly before in the Earth's history and that it has sometimes wreaked havoc with the biosphere when it did so. Now whether such a shift from climate change would be very bad or actually good, no one knows for sure. It could be both. For example, more mild winters and longer summers might mean better conditions for growing crops. However, it also could mean more severe hurricanes and storms. The problem is that we don't know for sure and are conducting an experiment with the atmosphere the results of which we will have to live with.

Agree on the rest of the article though.
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Old 02-23-2015, 14:33   #4
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Broadsword, I think the author of the article suggests that there is currently not a climate change crisis.

Can't speak for the author - but I suspect that most reasonable folks acknowledge that climates can and do change.

...just waiting for those "flying monkeys."
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Old 02-23-2015, 15:47   #5
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While there is a lot of truth in what he is saying about the paranoia and the attempt at a power grab in the name of said paranoia, that doesn't mean that global climate change is a lie. There is a lot of hard science to it.
When an earth science issue becomes such a political hot topic that the Senate has to vote on it, I tend to start looking a bit deeper into the "science".
I have read that the IPCC was initially tasked with explaining global warming and determining its cause. It's backwards for a scientist to begin with an unfounded conclusion and work backwards. As an aside, it seems the chairman of the IPCC is in a bit of trouble at the moment.

There is still a continuing debate even among the scientific community regarding climate change.

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I want to make it clear that I do believe humans are affecting the climate. However, that being said, it is evident that the extent of this effect is questionable. The climate of the Earth is an extraordinarily complex system. To claim, as many proponents of Anthropogenic Global Warming do, that the debate on climate change is over, is simply absurd and potentially dangerous as well. The reaction on the part of AGW proponents to legitimate scientific skepticism is quite disgraceful, in my opinion. To refer to anyone who questions AGW dogmas— such as the claim that there is a ‘consensus’ amongst all climate scientists, or the claim that the debate on climate change is over— as a climate change ‘denier’ in an effort to associate them with Holocaust deniers, or ‘industry stooges’ secretly funded by an insidious cabal of professional sowers of doubt, is nothing more than a cowardly tactic to avoid real debate. Many respected climate scientists have been slandered by AGW advocates simply because their research contradicts the claim that humans are the sole cause of climate change. It is vitally important that we learn to differentiate between the science of climate change and the politics of climate change. These are two very different animals. The proponents of AGW as a political agenda are advocating policies that would mandate virtually complete control of the global economy by bureaucratic elites in the name of controlling carbon emissions. However, the command and control systems they advocate will do nothing to prevent the climate from changing naturally, as it has done repeatedly throughout the history of the Earth, but will do everything to stifle freedom and the real progress that can eventually diminish our reliance on fossil fuels. Just as we should be skeptical of industry funded research, so we should be equally skeptical of government funded research, and at this writing the funding for the IPCC is many times greater than all verified industry funding put together, in spite of the claims of the AGW faction. A bit of investigative research will confirm the veracity of this assertion.
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I find it quite interesting that all the climate change driven regulations and the resulting green industries have been concentrated here, arguably one of the more tightly regulated industrial nations, while China's industries produce so much smog that entire cities are blanketed in manufacturing waste particulates. Imposing restrictive regulations here won't eliminate the problem, it is a global issue.

There is a gentleman named Randall Carlson who has been studying the results of catastrophic events on this planet going back past the last couple of climate changing asteroid impacts.

He says
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Climate change is a very real and very important issue. We cannot afford to allow the debate to be hijacked by true believers or by those who have a major stake in the outcome, and that includes the likes of Al Gore and his minions, as well as industrial concerns. Gore’s company, Generation Investment Management, is set up to broker carbon credits. This means that if carbon trading is mandated by government agencies, his company will be positioned astride a multi-billion dollar pipeline, potentially earning him hundreds of millions in profits. However, carbon trading schemes will do little or nothing to actually reduce the amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere. I have nothing against anyone earning a legitimate profit, but let’s not pretend that Al Gore and company are just disinterested, altruistic benefactors of mankind as contrasted with the big bad energy companies. At least we know where the energy companies stand.
I am 100% for reduction of industrial and public wastes products, reducing particulate output, increasing recycling etc. as we are leaving this planet for future generations to inhabit and we should be good stewards of this planet. I see nothing but political power grabbing and back room deal brokering when it comes to the climate change at this time.

For contrast, while we are pumping c02 into the atmosphere, plants seem to love the stuff and tropical rain forest are expanding beyond predictions (no one would possibly contribute this to "climate change" as a positive outcome publicly though).

While we are being force fed the horrible news that the arctic ice caps are melting, we aren't told that the antarctic caps are growing.

The climate here has an ebb and flow. It frustrates me that we look at a 200 +/- year slice of data and pretend that we truly understand the weather in this place. I would really like to see a public science figure say "we just don't know for sure, we don't have much data".

Note: Here is Randall Carlsons web site. He offers a non-mainstream, unapologetic view of this topic.
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Old 02-23-2015, 15:49   #6
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[QUOTE=tonyz;576103]
...climates can and do change. [QUOTE]

For the less intellectually honest, it's called weather. Last week the temps were in the teens, today it's nearly 50 - the climate changed. It's been doing that on this planet for a quite while now. Day to day, month to month, year after year for millennia.
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Old 02-23-2015, 19:51   #7
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A simple analogy illustrating the harmful lies used by the Obama administration.

ISIS "is not Islamic"...is as accurate as saying that the Catholic priests involved in the despicable Catholic Church scandals (and the Catholic priests /Bishop enablers) that did not stop the pedophiles...were not Catholic.

Bullshit.

Not laying this mess where it belongs allows millions to turn away from the problem - and unnecessarily increases the number of victims and only prolongs the suffering.
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When an earth science issue becomes such a political hot topic that the Senate has to vote on it, I tend to start looking a bit deeper into the "science".
I have read that the IPCC was initially tasked with explaining global warming and determining its cause. It's backwards for a scientist to begin with an unfounded conclusion and work backwards. As an aside, it seems the chairman of the IPCC is in a bit of trouble at the moment.
One could conclude that the climate is warming without knowing the cause (human or purely natural) and thus have to work backwards.

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There is still a continuing debate even among the scientific community regarding climate change.
That was a survey of scientists in Alberta, basically of the petroleum industry. The vast majority of scientists who study the subject agree that climate change is happening and is human-caused (http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=49). It is true that consensus unto itself is not what one goes by, but the notion that there is a large amount of debate on the issue of whether the Earth is warming and/or it being caused by humans is incorrect. There are some skeptics though, such as Freeman Dyson for example. The climate science community would be a lot more able to sell its arguments if it didn't come across so theological and demanding for socialism in the process.

Randall Carlson I think hits the nail on the head regarding the power grabbing and attempts at micromanagement involved in many of the proponents of anthropogenic climate change, but that doesn't mean that the overall science, that the climate is changing due to human-released greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere, is incorrect.

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Old 02-24-2015, 09:10   #9
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One could conclude that the climate is warming without knowing the cause (human or purely natural) and thus have to work backwards.
Does this not almost guarantee confirmation bias is built into the study? Beginning with a conclusion precludes critical analysis of data, I also think that it encourages ignoring data that doesn't match the conclusion.

Aside from this, I am in agreement with you.

One more item I would like to mention - each instance of major population expansion as well as major cultural, scientific and artistic growth have occurred during a warming period. The climate change exploiters have fear mongered the populace into thinking that global warming is the end of life as we know it when it's actually global cooling that has eradicated entire civilizations in the past.

Now if we start seeing evidence of an impending asteroid strike of any significance...
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ISIS "is not Islamic"...is as accurate as saying that the Catholic priests involved in the despicable Catholic Church scandals (and the Catholic priests /Bishop enablers) that did not stop the pedophiles...were not Catholic.
Excellent example.
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Does this not almost guarantee confirmation bias is built into the study? Beginning with a conclusion precludes critical analysis of data, I also think that it encourages ignoring data that doesn't match the conclusion.

Aside from this, I am in agreement with you.
If one just assumes the climate is changing, and then seeks to find a cause, I think so, but what I am talking about is scientific studies that find that the climate is changing, and then scientists saying to themselves, "Okay, well what is the cause for this changing of the climate?" and thus begin working backwards to figure it out.

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One more item I would like to mention - each instance of major population expansion as well as major cultural, scientific and artistic growth have occurred during a warming period. The climate change exploiters have fear mongered the populace into thinking that global warming is the end of life as we know it when it's actually global cooling that has eradicated entire civilizations in the past.

Now if we start seeing evidence of an impending asteroid strike of any significance...
That is true, yes. Warming periods have been good things.
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If one just assumes the climate is changing, and then seeks to find a cause, I think so, but what I am talking about is scientific studies that find that the climate is changing, and then scientists saying to themselves, "Okay, well what is the cause for this changing of the climate?" and thus begin working backwards to figure it out.
If so called scientists don't know why the climate changes, then they are not scientists. As far a stars go, the Sun is relatively stable, but it is, in fact, not stable at all. The Earth is not stable; it wobbles on it's axis. The Moon is pulling away from us. Whatever impact humans have on the planet is miniscule. Remember, it was scientists that came up with chaos theory where the beating on one butterfly's wings could cause devastating hurricanes. Have they called for the eradication of butterflies?

Government money is the opiate of the sciences.

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Government money is the opiate of the sciences.

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Could not have said it better.
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If so called scientists don't know why the climate changes, then they are not scientists.
Why aren't they scientists? The climate changes due to natural causes, sure, but there's a lot of evidence that human-released greenhouse gas emissions are causing it to change as well.

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As far a stars go, the Sun is relatively stable, but it is, in fact, not stable at all. The Earth is not stable; it wobbles on it's axis. The Moon is pulling away from us. Whatever impact humans have on the planet is miniscule. Remember, it was scientists that came up with chaos theory where the beating on one butterfly's wings could cause devastating hurricanes. Have they called for the eradication of butterflies?

Government money is the opiate of the sciences.

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That the science is prone to being blown out of proportion and corrupted doesn't mean that the basic premise is incorrect. I would dispute the notion that humans have a minimal impact on the planet.
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I would dispute the notion that humans have a minimal impact on the planet.
Then do so.

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