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Old 10-12-2012, 11:52   #1
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The "anti- Soros" has stepped up to the plate

Read the article (yes it's from CNN, and I am amazed!) then watch the youtube. George Soros now has a nemesis and his name is Thomas Peterffy.
It's unbelievable that hundreds of millions of Americans just don't get it but a native born Hungarian does.

Well said Mr. Peterffy.
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Thomas Peterffy - Freedom To Succeed

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(CNN) - He's not running for office. He's not part of a super PAC. He's not lobbying for or against any ballot measures.

But billionaire Thomas Peterffy is spending millions on television ads this election season with one cautionary message: Avoid socialism.

– "I grew up in a socialist country and I have seen what that does to people. There is no hope, no freedom, no pride in achievement," he says with a soft Hungarian accent in the ad. "The nation became poorer and poorer, and that's what I see happening here."

Peterffy told CNN he expects to spend $5-$10 million on the ad buy, depending on its effectiveness. The spot will run on CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg, and test markets in Ohio, Wisconsin, and possibly Florida.

The one-minute spot, which began airing Wednesday and will continue through Election Day, has no mention of any specific politician or lawmaker. It's simply a plea for an end to what he sees as growing hostility to personal success - and to vote Republican.

"America's wealth comes from the efforts of people striving for success. Take away their incentive with badmouthing success and you take away the wealth that helps us take care of the needy," he says in the commercial.

Peterffy was born in Budapest in 1944 during the deadly Soviet offensive that ended in the capture of Hungary's capital the following year. From then, the republic remained under communist control until it gained independence in 1989.

The new ad features images of Peterffy as a child in Hungary and the impoverished conditions in his native country.

"As a young boy, I was fantasizing about one day going to America, making a success of myself. The American Dream," he says.

Peterffy left his country and moved to New York in 1965, where-without knowing English–he got a computer programming job on Wall Street. He later purchased his own seat on the American Stock Exchange in 1977 and, fast forward a few years, found himself the creator of Interactive Brokers, one of the first electronic trading firms.

Forbes Magazine now estimates Peterffy, 68, has a net worth of $4.6 billion.

Peterffy is not alone in his fear of a socialist America. Some Republicans have launched vocal accusations against President Barack Obama for pushing what they call socialist policies. In part, they're referring to Obama's tax proposal that would ultimately raise taxes on the wealthiest two percent of the country but maintain tax cuts for households making under $250,000 per year.

Obama and his re-election campaign argue they're not attacking success, rather they have a different viewpoint on how to create success. At the debate last week, Obama repeated his signature line, saying he wants to make sure everyone is "getting a fair share, everybody's doing a fair share, and everybody's playing by the same rules."

Peterffy, however, says such policies lead to a "slippery slope."

"I’ve paid $1.9 billion in taxes in my lifetime, now I am being told that I am not contributing my fair share?" he said in an interview.

"When you trash the leaders of businesses, they stop working hard. They go on vacation," he continued. "I even see that within myself, I used to be proud of building Interactive Brokers. I would look forward to work each day. Now I’m being told I’m not doing my fair share."

According to filings with the Federal Election Commission, the billionaire donated more than $60,000 to the Republican National Committee last year and contributed to Republican candidates including Mitt Romney, Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Linda McMahon in Connecticut, and House Speaker John Boehner.

Other billionaires, such David and Charles Koch, as well as George Soros, have played prominent roles this election, spending millions on ads for their respective candidates. But the titans maintain a low-profile, never appearing in the ads themselves.

Asked why Peterffy wanted to personally take out the ad buy–and star in the spot–he said he was concerned that Americans were unaware of the "downside" of a "less stratified society."

"If people want to go that way, I want them to go with eyes wide open, aware of all possible consequences," he added.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...uying-ad-time/
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:23   #2
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"America's wealth comes from the efforts of people striving for success. Take away their incentive with badmouthing success and you take away the wealth that helps us take care of the needy," he says in the commercial.
There it is. It remains incomprehensible to me that anyone who's seen the effects of despots up close & personal could ever not understand that. Thanks for posting.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:26   #3
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Excellent article. From CNN no less (go figure).

Thanks.
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Old 10-12-2012, 13:40   #4
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CNN...I'm surprised. Great article.
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Old 10-12-2012, 13:58   #5
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From the article:

"I’ve paid $1.9 billion in taxes in my lifetime, now I am being told that I am not contributing my fair share?" he said in an interview.

If you've owned some real property for some time - particulalry commercial real property - (or maybe a family farm) add up what you have paid in income, property, sales and other taxes over the years - relating specifically to such real property.

A couple of decades of taxes can quickly add up to quite a contribution.

Moreover, the owner basically shoulders all the risk - assessments can even go up when costs sky-rocket and incomes go down.

Not contributing your fair share my ass.
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:05   #6
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Moreover, the owner basically shoulders all the risk - assessments can even go up when costs sky-rocket and incomes go down.

Not contributing your fair share my ass.
[Belushi Arab voice]"Nonono. I want the tax due on your inventory too. I like the inventory, it's very pretty. How much for your inventory? What? Nonsense, e-NOUGH! I don't care that you paid tax when you purchased it. I want the worth of your inventory. Every year."
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Old 10-12-2012, 14:18   #7
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[Belushi Arab voice]"Nonono. I want the tax due on your inventory too. I like the inventory, it's very pretty. How much for your inventory? What? Nonsense, e-NOUGH! I don't care that you paid tax when you purchased it. I want the worth of your inventory. Every year."
Not to mention a tangible personal property tax in some jurisdictions (or other excise taxes) on all your business office furniture and equipment - ANNUALLY !

What ? You've already paid sales tax on all those purchases...no matter.

That ANNUAL excise tax might also act as a disincentive to upgrade to new "stuff" (as Uncle Joe says) -- even though you would pay a sales tax at the time of purchase on the new "stuff" which would help merchants and contribute to revenues.

...the beast is insatiable.
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Old 10-13-2012, 06:57   #8
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Lets all have a moment of silence for Thomas since his feelings were hurt. Funny how I don't see Elon Musk going on vacation and dismantling SpaceX because of this "hositility". Personally, "these" politically minded billionaires (i.e Soros and Thomas) can go on vacation permanently.

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Old 10-13-2012, 08:31   #9
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Lets all have a moment of silence for Thomas since his feelings were hurt. Funny how I don't see Elon Musk going on vacation and dismantling SpaceX because of this "hositility". Personally, "these" politically minded billionaires (i.e Soros and Thomas) can go on vacation permanently.
Did you not understand the premise of the article?
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:14   #10
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Bruce Kovner is kind of like a right-wing George Soros, along with the Koch brothers. I think that the GOP makes a mistake in calling Obama a socialist though. The way to fight Obama is to say that his view is just one in which the government plays a much larger role in American society than what is the norm, the European type of role that is bankrupting much of Europe right now.
obama and his cronies are socialists and practicing their version of socialism on America. The individuals that support and protect the Constitution of the United States have every right to call obama a socialist. Please amuse me and tell me what you'd call him? And please tell me what is bankrupting the EU right now?
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:02   #11
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Rich Worried....

"Rich, worried and buying ad time"

If you only read that title you would have to believe that the story was about some rich guy whining about Obama thinking that he may not be paying his fair share. Someone scared about protecting their wealth. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is a story about a man who has been there and has done that. He appreciates from first hand experience what it is to realize the American dream, and he appreciates the erosion and the assault that is currently taking place on that dream by our own government. This country needs rich people, I and many of you work for rich people. I have done ok in my lifetime, I am comfortable but not multi-millionaire comfortable, but that was my own choice. If you are not happy with your lot in life then do something about it, at least while you still can. Yes very well said Mr. Peterffy
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Old 10-14-2012, 14:45   #12
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Sir, the reason I say that I think it is a mistake to call Obama a socialist is that the independents do not see him that way. Calling him a socialist puts the GOP in the light of being on the far right-wing. That is the last thing we want, as it will play right into the Democratic party's hands. The GOP needs to stick to a message that Obama is of a political philosophy that calls for a much larger role for government in American society and explain in clear terms why that is bad (.ex Europe), without calling him a socialist. I would have to disagree with you that Europe is going down due to socialism so much as social democracy, where they have promised themselves the moon in terms of freebies without generating anywhere near enough economic output to pay for it. Social democracy is related to socialism, but isn't the exact same thing.

So you are advocating beating around the bush, rather than straight to the point because some might be offended......I am an Independent and I rather them say what they are thinking instead of having a circle jerk of words, and a host of Talking Heads dissecting what it all means for weeks on end..

Also remember numerous studies have shown Americans to have short attention spans, so getting to the point simply, quickly and directly would seem to be an advantage for those who are not fearful of stepping across the PC line.
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Old 10-14-2012, 17:07   #13
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I have no problem with offending people, I have a concern about people perceiving the Republican party as too far right-wing and thus voting President Obama a second term. And the media will make sure that Americans do not forget anything that will hurt Republicans that they have a short attention span on.

It also would not be beating around the bush, as one can very much hold the view that Obama is not a socialist, but rather a European social democrat, one who believes in a much bigger role for government in American society than the Republicans do. An example could be that Julia video, where the government is holding a person's hand through every step of their life, whereas the Republican concept is that the government is there with a safety net if you need it, but otherwise wants you to be independent.

From what I have read, a social democracy is a form of socialism, which in theory is an evolution from a capitalist economy to a socialist economy. And according to some most social democracies are members of Socialist International. And there are some who believe that Social Democracy is related to Keynesian welfare capitalism, which is what Helicopter Ben, Turbo Timmy and both parties prescribe to, and the reason why we have 16 trillion (and growing) in national dept.

So....

By portraying Obama and/or Social Democracy in such a wordy manner you are in effect putting lipstick on a pig, thus disguising it for what it truly is.

Merely.......a European social democrat.....that is nothing short of nauseating to me. So do we as a nation want to follow in the foots steps Europe.....that is a good question.


As for what the Republican concept is...I don't see a secondary safety lanyard from either party anywhere around me......They say and promise whatever it takes to get re-elected, that is the concept of both parties embrace.
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Old 10-14-2012, 18:00   #14
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Yeah, but the man's point was that by shouting 'Socialist' at Obama, the Rs are going to play into the D's hands - allowing them to scream - "Far Right Wingers!"

Given the proclivities of the MSM, at least according to what I read here repeatedly, shouting 'Socialist' will not get traction, but "Far Right Wingers!" will.
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:40   #15
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...shouting 'Socialist' will not get traction, but "Far Right Wingers!" will.
Wanna see traction?
Try " Mordorian right ring-nuts "

I stand by my earlier statement, "The President can't lose, you ( the Republicans) won't let him."
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