Obamacare - Page 2

WCH · 06-25-2012, 14:51

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Originally Posted by Stargazer

Is it federally mandated? I don't think so... I believe it is by state and can vary with their requirements.

Federal, state, county, or city.... It's still government mandated!

afchic · 06-25-2012, 14:57

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Originally Posted by WCH

In most of the USA, if you don't drive, odds are you aren't going to find and keep a job. Public transportation in the good ole USA is sorely lacking. IMO, if you don't wear a helmet, then you should be limited in the ability to sue for head related injuries.

Not sure how that relates to the argument. You don't drive, you don't buy insurance. Lots of people in New York City, or in most major metropolitan areas don't have cars, yet seem to find their way to work every day.

afchic · 06-25-2012, 14:59

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Originally Posted by WCH

Federal, state, county, or city.... It's still government mandated!

The difference is who is doing the mandating, the state or the feds.

Stargazer · 06-25-2012, 15:03

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Originally Posted by WCH

Federal, state, county, or city.... It's still government mandated!

The minimum requirements vary greatly and is only necessary if you have a licensed vehicle on the road.

The healthcare law requires everyone carry healthcare benefits, otherwise individuals / employers will be penalized...

Badger52 · 06-25-2012, 15:29

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Originally Posted by WCH

Don't they make you purchase auto insurance?

The short answer is that, IF I drive, in some states I have the option to not purchase and, on my own, post a bond or Cert of Deposit up front to cover basic liability minimums the state determines. Requirements as to what the mandating state consider as being able to make someone "whole" range from outrageous to laughable.

Actually the helmet question should've been in pink font because I know many places already do that. Besides, numbers (including those published by the DoT, that was an eye-opener) are all over the place as to the actual efficacy of helmet laws in creating helmeted people who still die in large percentages of single-bike fatal accidents. (Car v. bike is like 95% your goose is cooked, helmet or not, helmet law or not.)

Both of the above I don't have to do if I don't do those things.

dadof18x'er · 06-25-2012, 15:58

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I hope your're right but they could pull a Bagdad Bob and declare it to be a glorious victory

I told ya so...... here's Bagdad Bobette..http://www.mrc.org/biasalerts/cbss-o...tter-president..

WCH · 06-25-2012, 16:18

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Originally Posted by afchic

Not sure how that relates to the argument. You don't drive, you don't buy insurance. Lots of people in New York City, or in most major metropolitan areas don't have cars, yet seem to find their way to work every day.

If you aren't working, under Obamacare mandate will you have to buy health insurance?

What percentage of the licensed drivers in the USA don't drive cars or trucks?

I'd say that many people that work in NYC own cars, whether or not they drive them to work is another matter. I worked in NYC for a 5 years, lived in the suburbs, and drove to work 5 days a week...Based on the traffic that was on the road with me...I'd say a hell of a lot of people own cars. On the weekends the parking lots at beaches on Long Island were filled with cars registered to people living in NYC.

Dusty · 06-25-2012, 16:20

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Originally Posted by WCH

I worked in NYC for a 5 years...

lol That explains a lot.

Badger52 · 06-25-2012, 16:27

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Originally Posted by dadof18x'er

I told ya so...... here's Bagdad Bobette..

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"politically, it might be better for the President, because then he can put the onus back on the Republicans."

WOPR: "The only winning move is not to play."

WCH · 06-25-2012, 16:29

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Originally Posted by afchic

The difference is who is doing the mandating, the state or the feds.

Slice it, dice it, anyway you want, they are still a government mandates.

WCH · 06-25-2012, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Dusty

lol That explains a lot.

It's a great place to (work and live), and it sure beats the Ozarks!!!

Mills · 06-25-2012, 16:37

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Originally Posted by WCH

In most of the USA, if you don't drive, odds are you aren't going to find and keep a job. Public transportation in the good ole USA is sorely lacking.

IMO, if you don't wear a helmet, then you should be limited in the ability to sue for head related injuries.

I agree.

And if we were ever to adopt a socialized medicine system.........

One could argue the same aspect of Tobacco users (yes, I am one) having to pay out of pocket for medical conditions that directly tie to the use of Tobacco.

Then that slippery slope, then it goes towards obese Americans as well (which is a whole other issue) that would have to buck up for conditions that are related to an unhealthy lifestyle.

Then we mandate what type of food is eaten, issue ration cards for unhealthy food and keep records of who eats what, once again taking away the personal freedoms of Americans.

This all ties back to something that many of our citizens have forgotten.............."responsibility a prerequisite for freedom"

WCH · 06-25-2012, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Mills

I agree.

And if we were ever to adopt a socialized medicine system.........

One could argue the same aspect of Tobacco users (yes, I am one) having to pay out of pocket for medical conditions that directly tie to the use of Tobacco.

Then that slippery slope, then it goes towards obese Americans as well (which is a whole other issue) that would have to buck up for conditions that are related to an unhealthy lifestyle.

Then we mandate what type of food is eaten, issue ration cards for unhealthy food and keep records of who eats what, once again taking away the personal freedoms of Americans.

This all ties back to something that many of our citizens have forgotten.............."responsibility a prerequisite for freedom"

State (and Fed) run health care insurance plans (for employes) don't cut benefits for tobacco users, or obese people, so why would a US plan.

I fail to see how what I said about non helmeted bikers being limited in suing for head injuries relates to your health care examples. Let the bikers who choose to ride helmetless buy their own insurance (that will pay for head injuries).

Dusty · 06-25-2012, 17:04

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Originally Posted by WCH

It's a great place to (work and live), and it sure beats the Ozarks!!!

lol Yeah, to a lib.

Mills · 06-25-2012, 17:05

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Originally Posted by WCH

State (and Fed) run health care insurance plans (for employes) don't cut benefits for tobacco users, or obese people, so why would a US plan.

I fail to see how what I said about non helmeted bikers being limited in suing for head injuries relates to your health care examples. Let the bikers who choose to ride helmetless buy their own insurance (that will pay for head injuries).

Just thinking worst case.

Since we are in the business of giving handouts, in an attempt to make the weak strong, and the strong weak.