Female Soldiers Sue U.S. in Challenge to Combat Limits - Page 3

Brush Okie · 05-24-2012, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by twistedsquid

lyudmila pavelchenko was a soviet sniper officially credited with 309 kills...however anectodal battlefield evidence suggests over 800...research continuing...

Several men had more kills than her.

**PRB** · 05-24-2012, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by koz

If you're talking about Lyudmila Pavlichenko, she did not have the most confirmed kills.

The point is not that women cannot kill...they can, they kill all of the time, ex husbands, their own children etc.....
The point is how the killing takes place.
Any sniper can kill, that is a 'skill' set not a strength set.
Now, lets put women in the trenches of WW1, hand to hand, butt stroking, stabing or simply smashing heads. Or assaulting the beaches of Normandy, Iwo Jima....where simple brute strength is required.
I know, deep in my heart, that I can kill 99% of all women with my bare hands. That 1% are the unusual athletes that exist, and that would still be a fight.
If you are a grunt, 11B, Infantryman then you must train for and expect the worse case scenario.
Our politicians are looking at very low levels of physical exertion killing/combat for females...where they 'rode' to combat and were not humping the boonies. Or were in defensive built up positions and aquitted themselves with honor because they fought well, were brave, 'manned up' and they have.
However, these same brave female soldiers are not the physical equivalent of the average male...not aerobically or anerobically.
I do not pull a plow with a race horse nor do I run a plough horse in a 1/4 mile race.
Genetic ability is tantamount in an E-tool fight after you've humped your ruck/combat load all day with 3 hours of sleep.
This gender norming crap is inane.

cedsall · 05-24-2012, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stras

There is no difference in retirement benefits. how does your current job limit your earnings. There is no special pay for combat troops as opposed to support troops.

From another article on this topic: "Command Sergeant Major Jane Baldwin and Colonel Ellen Haring, both Army reservists"

I suppose the Colonel may feel slighted if she doesn't pin on a star but it's hard to discern how being a woman affected the CSM's career. She has reached the highest enlisted rank.

Dusty · 05-25-2012, 06:19

The female warriors will need to be issued a stool or something to stand on and eek from for when they run across big bugs, mice, spiders and whatnot.

**Richard** · 05-25-2012, 07:32

I, too, harbor serious concerns about how this one's gonna turn out...especially if they continue on with their gender norming "equal but..." shell game. However, they do have a bit of precedent to argue their case...although it was accomplished surreptitiously.

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-1.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-2.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-3.html

And so it goes...

Richard

Dusty · 05-25-2012, 07:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard

I, too, harbor serious concerns about how this one's gonna turn out...especially if they continue on with their gender norming "equal but..." shell game. However, they do have a bit of precedent to argue their case...although it was accomplished surreptitiously.

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-1.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-2.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-3.html

And so it goes...

Richard

Precedent doesn't make mistakes right.

I'm telling you; when a similar number of stacks of female bodies as there are males start getting shipped home, this "equality" bullshit will not only get thrown out the window, but NOW and every other Helen Reddy-inspired organization will demand for the rule to be reversed.

Utah Bob · 05-25-2012, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Most deadly in what respect and scale?

Sneakiest?

abc_123 · 05-25-2012, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusty

Precedent doesn't make mistakes right.

I'm telling you; when a similar number of stacks of female bodies as there are males start getting shipped home, this "equality" bullshit will not only get thrown out the window, but NOW and every other Helen Reddy-inspired organization will demand for the rule to be reversed.

I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps if we had a large-scale conventional conflict, however if we continued with the current "steady state" I'm not totally convinced that would be the case. Sure just like now, there will be media flare-ups, but then the wounded and the dead will stream home largely unnoticed to the vast majority of America not directly affected.

greenberetTFS · 05-25-2012, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusty

All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers.

Exactly..........

Big Teddy

**Team Sergeant** · 05-25-2012, 11:31

I dunno, I dig women with guns.......

greenberetTFS · 05-25-2012, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I dunno, I dig women with guns.......

You mean like these?............

Big Teddy

tunanut · 05-25-2012, 12:47

The phrase "be careful what you ask for" comes to mind.

**PRB** · 05-25-2012, 12:59

"All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers."

I once thoght this would be the case but I don't think so anymore.
We've had females captured, killed, seriously maimed (and in Wounded Warrior commercials legless etc) and the public has accepted this almost without issue.
No public outcry about any female aspect to KIA's.

Dusty · 05-25-2012, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRB

"All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers."

I once thoght this would be the case but I don't think so anymore.
We've had females captured, killed, seriously maimed (and in Wounded Warrior commercials legless etc) and the public has accepted this almost without issue.
No public outcry about any female aspect to KIA's.

Not yet, and I hope you're right.

We'll see if, God forbid, female casualties approach the rate of males.

**The Reaper** · 05-25-2012, 17:11

What do you do when your squad deploys short three riflemen, and two of the remaining ones get pregnant?

One thing you can guarantee is that will never happen in a all-male infantry unit, and there will be a lot fewer harassment and discrimination complaints as well.

Too bad no one will tell the survivors of SPC Snuffy that he died when his 110 lb. battle buddy who couldn't pass the same APFT couldn't drag his ass to cover.

TR