Go Back   Professional Soldiers ® > At Ease > The Early Bird

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Their Rank
Old 05-24-2012, 23:00   #31
cedsall
Auxiliary
 
cedsall is offline
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 61
Their Rank

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stras View Post
There is no difference in retirement benefits. how does your current job limit your earnings. There is no special pay for combat troops as opposed to support troops.
From another article on this topic: "Command Sergeant Major Jane Baldwin and Colonel Ellen Haring, both Army reservists"

I suppose the Colonel may feel slighted if she doesn't pin on a star but it's hard to discern how being a woman affected the CSM's career. She has reached the highest enlisted rank.
__________________
You know spies… bunch of bitchy little girls.
--Bruce Campbell as Sam Axe in Burn Notice

Now... 97Charlie... there was an MOS!
--ZonieDiver
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 06:19   #32
Dusty
Quiet Professional
 
Dusty's Avatar
 
Dusty is offline
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Ozarks
Posts: 9,261
The female warriors will need to be issued a stool or something to stand on and eek from for when they run across big bugs, mice, spiders and whatnot.
__________________
"There you go, again." Ronald Reagan
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 07:32   #33
Richard
Quiet Professional
 
Richard's Avatar
 
Richard is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 15,209
I, too, harbor serious concerns about how this one's gonna turn out...especially if they continue on with their gender norming "equal but..." shell game. However, they do have a bit of precedent to argue their case...although it was accomplished surreptitiously.

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-1.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-2.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-3.html

And so it goes...

Richard
__________________
“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of (another)… There are just some kind of men who – who’re so busy worrying about the next world they’ve never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.” - To Kill A Mockingbird (Atticus Finch)

“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.” - Robert Heinlein
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 07:43   #34
Dusty
Quiet Professional
 
Dusty's Avatar
 
Dusty is offline
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Ozarks
Posts: 9,261
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard View Post
I, too, harbor serious concerns about how this one's gonna turn out...especially if they continue on with their gender norming "equal but..." shell game. However, they do have a bit of precedent to argue their case...although it was accomplished surreptitiously.

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-1.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-2.html

http://www.archives.gov/publications...vil-war-3.html

And so it goes...

Richard
Precedent doesn't make mistakes right.

I'm telling you; when a similar number of stacks of female bodies as there are males start getting shipped home, this "equality" bullshit will not only get thrown out the window, but NOW and every other Helen Reddy-inspired organization will demand for the rule to be reversed.
__________________
"There you go, again." Ronald Reagan
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 08:48   #35
Utah Bob
Quiet Professional
 
Utah Bob's Avatar
 
Utah Bob is offline
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 11 miles from Dove Creek, Colorady
Posts: 3,777
Quote:
Originally Posted by SF_BHT View Post
Most deadly in what respect and scale?
Sneakiest?
__________________
"...But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive."
Shakespeare - Henry V
Lazy Bob Ranch
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 10:03   #36
abc_123
Quiet Professional
 
abc_123's Avatar
 
abc_123 is offline
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Middle America
Posts: 1,448
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty View Post
Precedent doesn't make mistakes right.

I'm telling you; when a similar number of stacks of female bodies as there are males start getting shipped home, this "equality" bullshit will not only get thrown out the window, but NOW and every other Helen Reddy-inspired organization will demand for the rule to be reversed.
I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps if we had a large-scale conventional conflict, however if we continued with the current "steady state" I'm not totally convinced that would be the case. Sure just like now, there will be media flare-ups, but then the wounded and the dead will stream home largely unnoticed to the vast majority of America not directly affected.
__________________
The Main Thing is to keep the Main Thing the Main Thing
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 10:11   #37
greenberetTFS
Quiet Professional (RIP)
 
greenberetTFS's Avatar
 
greenberetTFS is offline
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Carriere,Ms.
Posts: 6,926
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty View Post
All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers.
Exactly..........

Big Teddy
__________________
I believe that SF is a 'calling' - not too different from the calling missionaries I know received. I knew instantly that it was for me, and that I would do all I could to achieve it. Most others I know in SF experienced something similar. If, as you say, you HAVE searched and read, and you do not KNOW if this is the path for you --- it is not....
Zonie Diver

SF is a calling and it requires commitment and dedication that the uninitiated will never understand......
Jack Moroney

SFA M-2527, Chapter XXXVII
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 11:31   #38
Team Sergeant
Quiet Professional
 
Team Sergeant's Avatar
 
Team Sergeant is offline
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 17,581
I dunno, I dig women with guns.......
__________________
"The Spartans do not ask how many are the enemy, but where are they."
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 12:22   #39
greenberetTFS
Quiet Professional (RIP)
 
greenberetTFS's Avatar
 
greenberetTFS is offline
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Carriere,Ms.
Posts: 6,926
Quote:
Originally Posted by Team Sergeant View Post
I dunno, I dig women with guns.......
You mean like these?............

Big Teddy
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Solder Test.jpg (88.4 KB, 130 views)
File Type: jpg What Caliber..........jpg (10.1 KB, 109 views)
File Type: jpg Lady Snipers........jpg (69.3 KB, 126 views)
File Type: jpg Needs Vetting.jpg (55.1 KB, 117 views)
__________________
I believe that SF is a 'calling' - not too different from the calling missionaries I know received. I knew instantly that it was for me, and that I would do all I could to achieve it. Most others I know in SF experienced something similar. If, as you say, you HAVE searched and read, and you do not KNOW if this is the path for you --- it is not....
Zonie Diver

SF is a calling and it requires commitment and dedication that the uninitiated will never understand......
Jack Moroney

SFA M-2527, Chapter XXXVII
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 12:47   #40
tunanut
Guerrilla
 
tunanut is offline
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: NC
Posts: 107
The phrase "be careful what you ask for" comes to mind.
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 12:59   #41
PRB
Quiet Professional
 
PRB's Avatar
 
PRB is offline
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,382
"All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers."

I once thoght this would be the case but I don't think so anymore.
We've had females captured, killed, seriously maimed (and in Wounded Warrior commercials legless etc) and the public has accepted this almost without issue.
No public outcry about any female aspect to KIA's.
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 14:07   #42
Dusty
Quiet Professional
 
Dusty's Avatar
 
Dusty is offline
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Ozarks
Posts: 9,261
Quote:
Originally Posted by PRB View Post
"All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers."

I once thoght this would be the case but I don't think so anymore.
We've had females captured, killed, seriously maimed (and in Wounded Warrior commercials legless etc) and the public has accepted this almost without issue.
No public outcry about any female aspect to KIA's.
Not yet, and I hope you're right.

We'll see if, God forbid, female casualties approach the rate of males.
__________________
"There you go, again." Ronald Reagan
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 17:11   #43
The Reaper
Quiet Professional
 
The Reaper's Avatar
 
The Reaper is offline
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Free Pineland
Posts: 23,588
What do you do when your squad deploys short three riflemen, and two of the remaining ones get pregnant?

One thing you can guarantee is that will never happen in a all-male infantry unit, and there will be a lot fewer harassment and discrimination complaints as well.

Too bad no one will tell the survivors of SPC Snuffy that he died when his 110 lb. battle buddy who couldn't pass the same APFT couldn't drag his ass to cover.

TR
__________________
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910

De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2017
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 18:09   #44
PRB
Quiet Professional
 
PRB's Avatar
 
PRB is offline
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,382
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper View Post
What do you do when your squad deploys short three riflemen, and two of the remaining ones get pregnant?

One thing you can guarantee is that will never happen in a all-male infantry unit, and there will be a lot fewer harassment and discrimination complaints as well.

Too bad no one will tell the survivors of SPC Snuffy that he died when his 110 lb. battle buddy who couldn't pass the same APFT couldn't drag his ass to cover.

TR
I guess send in a perstat and start paying child support.....
  Reply With Quote

Old 05-25-2012, 20:22   #45
orion5
Guerrilla Chief
 
orion5's Avatar
 
orion5 is offline
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Driving the Texas highways
Posts: 670
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty View Post
I'm telling you; when a similar number of stacks of female bodies as there are males start getting shipped home, this "equality" bullshit will not only get thrown out the window, but NOW and every other Helen Reddy-inspired organization will demand for the rule to be reversed.
Does it need to be "stack of females"?

What if no female dies because stacks of males got hurt, died, got stressed, got PTSD, or left the service trying to ensure "she" lived? Who will keep and report those stats?
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:55.



Copyright 2004-2015 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies