Swing States Poll: A Shift by Women puts Obama in Lead

[Pete]

It's that old Hunter vs Nester/Gatherer thing.

Living in a house full of females you can't count the number of times I've done a double take on some of their political views and then had to work hard to explain to them why they should rethink their position.

They are all suckers for a good attack add - "Oh my God! I can't believe the guy did that."

Out of five voters in my circle 1 is a Republican (me), 1 Libertarian and three are Democrats - because "they" (Democrats) care.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Pete

It's that old Hunter vs Nester/Gatherer thing.

Living in a house full of females you can't count the number of times I've done a double take on some of their political views and then had to work hard to explain to them why they should rethink their position.

They are all suckers for a good attack add - "Oh my God! I can't believe the guy did that."

Out of five voters in my circle 1 is a Republican (me), 1 Libertarian and three are Democrats - because "they" (Democrats) care.

My oldest and second oldest picked BJ Clinton because "he's better looking".

[Richard]

People vote for candidates for any number of reasons.

FWIW.

Richard

Amendment 19 - Women's Suffrage. Ratified 8/18/1920.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Presidential rankings according to 65 presidential historians and professional observers of the presidency surveyed by the cable channel C-SPAN. Participants ranked each president by 10 leadership attributes.

President: 2009 rank, 2000 rank

Abraham Lincoln: 1, 1

George Washington: 2, 3

Franklin D. Roosevelt: 3, 2

Theodore Roosevelt: 4, 4

Harry S. Truman: 5, 5

John F. Kennedy: 6, 8

Thomas Jefferson: 7, 7

Dwight D. Eisenhower: 8, 9

Woodrow Wilson: 9, 6

Ronald Reagan: 10, 11

Lyndon B. Johnson: 11, 10

James K. Polk: 12, 12

Andrew Jackson: 13, 13

James Monroe: 14, 14

Bill Clinton: 15, 21

William McKinley: 16, 15

John Adams: 17, 16

George H.W. Bush: 18, 20

John Quincy Adams: 19, 19

James Madison: 20, 18

Grover Cleveland: 21, 17

Gerald R. Ford: 22, 23

Ulysses S. Grant: 23, 33

William Howard Taft: 24, 24

Jimmy Carter: 25, 22

Calvin Coolidge: 26, 27

Richard M. Nixon: 27, 25

James A. Garfield: 28, 29

Zachary Taylor: 29, 28

Benjamin Harrison: 30, 31

Martin Van Buren: 31, 30

Chester A. Arthur: 32, 32

Rutherford B. Hayes: 33, 26

Herbert Hoover: 34, 34

John Tyler: 35, 36

George W. Bush: 36, NA

Millard Fillmore: 37, 35

Warren G. Harding: 38, 38

William Henry Harrison: 39, 37

Franklin D. Pierce: 40, 39

Andrew Johnson: 41, 40

James Buchanan: 42, 41

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

People vote for candidates for any number of reasons.

FWIW.

Richard

Obviously, only Yankees were polled...

[Badger52]

Acquaintance from old Army days who lives in capital told me she'd be laying money that Romney would get his ass kicked by women & libs based "on his positions & rhetoric regarding certain women's issues; he's really angered the women." I failed at being able to elicit from her specifics of these issues (plural). How did that turn out?

Looking over the results last night, racked & stacked by county, it was pretty much the 2 MAJOR liberal bastions (Milwaukee & Dane counties) that carried Romney & kept him from getting his ass kicked completely by Rick Santorum.

[ZonieDiver]

I'm also incredulous over how easily the Dems were able to manipulate women regarding the birth control issue.

No argument that people, especially women, were manipulated by this recent issue. I see it this way: The Dems put out a big leg trap, easily seen - and avoided, and baited it with the little tiny bait of "birth control." Some of the more stupid Repubs and Rush Limbaugh couldn't resist trying to grab at it... and got caught in the trap.

They seem to do that a lot lately.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Some of the more stupid Repubs and Rush Limbaugh couldn't resist trying to grab at it... and got caught in the trap.

They seem to do that a lot lately.

Yeah. Poor Rush. His ratings only went up by 60%.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Pete

...because "they" (Democrats) care.

I run into that with both family and many of my collegues - yet, most (who make any real money anymore) work hard to reduce what they pay in various taxes - when they could voluntarily contribute more any time they wanted to.

I guess they care more...but not enough to take a larger hit in the pocketbook to walk the walk unless they impose their misery on the rest of us.

In my observations many Dems are quite receptive to emotional stimuli - that is - their voting position can be readily moved by emotional advertisements/arguments. And, that makes some sense as Madison Ave. has sold hundreds of shades, flavors, packaging, etc., etc.

Moreover, many Dems that I encounter see themselves as the party of the "little person"...the "working man." Unfortunately, the Dem party of that person appears to me to have been hijacked by the extreme left, decades ago.

MOO, the "we care more" attitude also provides many Dems and their sympathizers with an artificial air of superiority for various political positions on various subjects. In many Dem's eyes, it seems to me, that non-Dems are wayward souls to be educated or indoctrinated, depending who you are dealing with... 'cause they care more.

ETA: I suspect that we all care...or at least many do...but we disagree on how to get it done. YMMV.

[Roguish Lawyer]

The Left controls the media (including Hollywood) and the schools. Unless that is reversed promptly, religion in the United States will continue to be ridiculed and marginalized until those with faith are a powerless and oppressed minority. I think we are only a generation or two away from being a secular society.

Those of you who ridicule women for voting Democrat have your heads in the sand. Birth control and abortion are the most important political issues for very large numbers of women, and the number of women who hold that view is growing and will continue to grow as our culture changes and becomes more European. Come spend some time in a large city and you'll see.

Anyone who cares about social issues (and, by the way, I'm a libertarian and I don't) should be focused on taking back the schools and the media, not wasting time trying to nominate unelectable social conservatives for national office.

My two cents. YMMV.

[Susa]

Birth control/women's repro. issues are sacrosanct to the majority of women in our country. The example that comes to mind is the blow-back that hit the grande dame of breast cancer charities, the Komen Foundation when they decided to cut funding to Planned Parenthood. Although they reversed their decision, Komen's funding has taken a hit (and exposed their ridiculous administrative hierarchy). I think that it is telling that the Obama camp has planted the seeds of what they will undoubtedly sow next fall with regards to their attack on Romney. All they had to say to mobilize millions of women was "Romney will close Planned Parenthood".

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Susa

Birth control/women's repro. issues are sacrosanct to the majority of women in our country. The example that comes to mind is the blow-back that hit the grande dame of breast cancer charities, the Komen Foundation when they decided to cut funding to Planned Parenthood. Although they reversed their decision, Komen's funding has taken a hit (and exposed their ridiculous administrative hierarchy). I think that it is telling that the Obama camp has planted the seeds of what they will undoubtedly sow next fall with regards to their attack on Romney. All they had to say to mobilize millions of women was "Romney will close Planned Parenthood".

Romney can't close Planned Parenthood any quicker than Obama can tell the SCOTUS what to do.

[Susa]

Romney clarified his statement by saying that he "would cut federal funding" to P.P. Predictably, this was O's response:
http://thehill.com/video/administrat...-video-message

O knows who is target audience is. Romney should take a page from the former mayor of L.A. and former gubernatorial candidate, Richard Riordan (whom I am very fond of). Riordan, a devout Catholic, said when asked about abortion issues, that he was personally apposed to abortion and birth control, however is was not in society's best interest to tell a woman that she must have an unwanted child. Riordan gave examples of what he called 'the destructive cycle of an unloved child", and how this cycle would/could effect society. Of course, abstinence is best, Riordan said...but let's be practical. That ain't gonna happen. If Romney was to sit down with say...Diane Sawyer or another queen of the lib. media and say something like what Riordan said, then maybe he wouldn't continue to be almost 20 percentage points behind O.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Susa

Birth control/women's repro. issues are sacrosanct to the majority of women in our country. The example that comes to mind is the blow-back that hit the grande dame of breast cancer charities, the Komen Foundation when they decided to cut funding to Planned Parenthood. Although they reversed their decision, Komen's funding has taken a hit (and exposed their ridiculous administrative hierarchy). I think that it is telling that the Obama camp has planted the seeds of what they will undoubtedly sow next fall with regards to their attack on Romney. All they had to say to mobilize millions of women was "Romney will close Planned Parenthood".

I personally know far more women that have pledged to pull their funding of Komen for the opposite reason. I, and many women I know, didn't know that Komen contributed to PP. I wrote them a letter and told them I will never again support their organization. My sisters, cousins, aunts, etc... all used to do the Race for the Cure every year, no matter where we lived. No one in my family is supporting them this year. Most of my female friends feel the way I do, and are pulling their support as well.

I am all about saving the boobies, but I can find a heck of a lot of other organizations to give my money to than one who uses my money to donate to an org that kills babies.

I think you gentlemen will find that us conservative women are growing in numbers. We may not get as much face time as Nancy Pelosi and that hag Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, but there is going to be a great upheaval soon.

Yes many women care about reproductive rights, but not as our primary issue. Talk to moms and you will see a greater number who are more worried about the education their children are getting, or that the economy that will be handed to our kids and grandkids will bankrupt them if we don't turn things around soon.

Growing up we used to call my youngest sister the Pinko Liberal Commie. She was one all the way through college, and then she entered the "real" world. She is now one of the most staunchly conservative women I know.

Are there women out there that vote for the POTUS based on his "being handsome", or course there are. But in my observation, they are few and far between and do not provide a representative sample of the "general" woman.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by afchic

I think you gentlemen will find that us conservative women are growing in numbers. We may not get as much face time as Nancy Pelosi and that hag Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, but there is going to be a great upheaval soon.

You go!

[Susa]

Originally Posted by afchic

Talk to moms and you will see a greater number who are more worried about the education their children are getting, or that the economy that will be handed to our kids and grandkids will bankrupt them if we don't turn things around soon.

... But in my observation, they are few and far between and do not provide a representative sample of the "general" woman.

Education has not been in the forefront of this election cycle, yet. I saw this article this morning... And it would appear that you are indeed, correct, AFChic. I certainly hope so.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1402529.html