01-03-2012, 18:09
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I thought about that after posting, let me re-phrase that. It isn't as likely that you (going solo) will take a plane down with a knife, but if you have 3-5 trained accomplices to assist it has been proven to work..
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The corollary from the first position is, that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The prohibition is general. No clause in the constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give the Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made, under some general pretence, by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both. - William Rawle
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01-03-2012, 19:35
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Perhaps I should have posted my comment in pink. I thought it unnecessary.
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01-03-2012, 19:57
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He is either stockpiling and finally got caught. Or somebody played a very bad joke on him.
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Exactly, and he, as well as his family, are about to get a great big proctoscopic exam.
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01-03-2012, 20:02
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If he was stockpiling why would he be bringing it TO Bragg? I think he's just a dumbass that slipped through the system.
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01-03-2012, 20:16
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I'm with you Paslode; Take down a plane or no, a knife being found by TSA is not the same thing as C-4. At least the explosive was not in his underwear or his shoe. :roll eyes:
Seriously, the "real world" will look upon this as an aberration; a poor decision, possibly psychologically induced due to PTSD from years of extreme duty and the recent tour, or, at worst, a criminal act by a psychologically damaged mind. Regardless, for rational people, this is not an act that reflects negatively on the Special Forces community. This is an individual act, committed by an individual, that will be dealt with accordingly by civilian and military authorities as necessary. It is not an act of Special Forces, Ft. Bragg, JFK Special Warfare Center, or anything or anyone else, period. Anyone who tries to make it anything else, and there will be those people, are on a witch hunt and should be dealt with accordingly.
I wish his command the best.
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Last edited by BigWave; 01-03-2012 at 20:24.
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01-04-2012, 03:02
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Sad story......
Hate to see one of our Elite (I'm saying Elite because he was SF, not his character or actions here) throw it all away for any reason. At least TSA caught it.....eventually, scary what does get through though. My flight attendant found 3 .22 rounds in a seat back pocket last week.
I know a few rounds is nothing compared to this, but really makes you wonder how much stuff gets through that we'll never hear about.
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01-04-2012, 08:41
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At least he didn't have an ignition source, he can just pleed dumbass and take what's coming. No ill intentions, just a major brain fart.
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01-04-2012, 09:44
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Originally Posted by BigWave
Seriously, the "real world" will look upon this as an aberration; a poor decision, possibly psychologically induced due to PTSD from years of extreme duty and the recent tour, or, at worst, a criminal act by a psychologically damaged mind. Regardless, for rational people, this is not an act that reflects negatively on the Special Forces community. This is an individual act, committed by an individual, that will be dealt with accordingly by civilian and military authorities as necessary. It is not an act of Special Forces, Ft. Bragg, JFK Special Warfare Center, or anything or anyone else, period. Anyone who tries to make it anything else, and there will be those people, are on a witch hunt and should be dealt with accordingly.
I wish his command the best.
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Shit happens.
I did similar myself, once, a year or two ago. Long drive and having a good time sight seeing on the way back home with the kids. I failed to notice the signs posted 'No Firearms' and I forgot all about something under the seat.
By the time it dawned on me....all I could do was smile, stay calm and hope I didn't get directed to the search lane.
Hopefully this was just a outta sight, outta mind incident for this Soldier.
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01-04-2012, 15:59
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With you again and my apologies Paslode, I did not mean to sound too harsh; just meant to say that this should not reflect upon SF as a unit or on the other warriors of SF as individuals.
Right on, shit happens. Flew round trip from Houston to Boston with a handful of .22 rounds in my hunting jacket that I wore onto the plane. Apparently, I never took them out after my last squirrel hunt of the season before. I was fortunate enough that the TSA did not catch it. If they had, I may have had more than just "Dumbass" stamped across my forehead.
Take care.
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01-04-2012, 17:44
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M112
An M112 Block of C4 is 1"x2"x11" and weighs 1 1/4 lbs.
Two of those would be 2"x2"x11" and weigh 2 1/2 lbs.
A full 1 qt canteen weighs slightly over 2.2 lbs.
How many of you would pick up your AWOL bag and not notice a full canteen in it?
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02-18-2012, 12:07
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02-19-2012, 16:16
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Thanks for the update, it would have been a shame to see him prosecuted.
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02-19-2012, 20:03
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So basically a CTO. Hopefully this isn't a career breaker; seems the SGT has an impressive enough record to sway the investigation in his favor. Now if only the CO back at Ft. Bragg will go as easy, but I can only speculate this will probably not be the case.
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02-19-2012, 20:37
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Hmmmm...with "experts" like this...  
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02-20-2012, 13:53
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It got fixed.
Yes, even I have carried through airport security unknowing myself.
This Soldier was cleared of charges (Thank God).
I bet he does not do it again.
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