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12-05-2011, 20:46
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USN Switch To Biofuels @ 4 Times The Cost of Oil
What budget crisis?
Our tax dollars at work... 
Navy’s Big Biofuel Bet: 450,000 Gallons at 4 Times the Price of Oil
Wired, 5 Dec 2011
The Navy just signed deals to buy 450,000 gallons of biofuels — arguably the biggest purchase of its kind in U.S. government history. The purchase is a significant step for Navy Secretary Ray Mabus’ plans to transform the service into an energy-efficient fleet. But at approximately $15 per gallon — nearly four times the price of traditional fuel — the new fuels won’t come cheap.
(Cont'd) http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/navy-biofuels/
And so it effin' goes...
Richard 
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12-05-2011, 21:36
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It's "energy efficient" because now the fleet can travel one fourth the distance at four times the cost.
On a different note, I wonder which of our esteemed leaders stock portfolios are on the rise after this money maker of a sale to the US Navy. 
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12-05-2011, 21:43
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We are doomed. 
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12-05-2011, 22:03
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Quote:
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It's "energy efficient" because now the fleet can travel one fourth the distance at four times the cost.
On a different note, I wonder which of our esteemed leaders stock portfolios are on the rise after this money maker of a sale to the US Navy. |
I'd place a wager on Al Gore!!!
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12-06-2011, 09:04
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I was always under the impression that biofuels were meant to be CHEAPER alternatives to regular petroleum based fuels.
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12-06-2011, 09:23
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Yes, more expensive. But it makes you feel sooooo much better....
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12-06-2011, 10:11
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Quote:
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I was always under the impression that biofuels were meant to be CHEAPER alternatives to regular petroleum based fuels.
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I don't think you missed anything sir, they were. Depends on which side of the subsidy you're on. Just ask the cornbelt if they'd like to hear someone declare ethanol didn't quite work out like "they" planned. Oops, I forgot that's the IA caucuses' third-rail.
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12-06-2011, 16:36
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They have to buy because they don't have that of their own to recycle, their bacon grease is used elsewhere  
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12-06-2011, 16:52
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The Navy is going green! It's just another Solyndra, calm down. These people know what they're doing.
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12-06-2011, 16:52
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We should just import more oil from other nations.
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12-06-2011, 17:41
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http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/11...rning-biofuel/
Here is an article on a current bio fuel experiment Alaska Air was doing, of special interest is the cost, way higher than regular aviation fuel. In the future they expect aviation fuel to be much more and bio fuel less as it develops, I suppose it is good they are all looking to the future? The other aspect, as mentioned above is emissions, also dependency.
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12-06-2011, 18:17
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Long term I can see the benefits. We have the ability to grow enough food in the US to feed the world and then some yet we import oil. In a major war being able to grow and refine our own fuel here in the US would be a big benefit instead of having to worry about oil tankers getting hit and weakning our supply lines. It also reduces our dependancy on foreign oil in peace time as well as driving forward technology on biofuel and the motors that run them. BTW the Diesel engine was orginally designed to run on peanut oil.
Why 4x the cost? I am sure someone is getting their palm greased in the deal.
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12-06-2011, 18:20
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Quote:
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We should just import more oil from other nations.
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We should drill for the oil under the Oklahoma land that my sister and I own the mineral rights on. 
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12-06-2011, 18:21
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I remember they tried using biodiesel with schoolbuses in some place and what happened is the biodiesel gels at a warmer temperature than regular diesel, so the schoolbuses wouldn't start on a cold morning. Once they finally could get them started, they had to let them run 24/7, thus negating the purpose of using the biodiesel. I hope the Army takes this into consideration if it decides to start putting biodiesel in its vehicles.
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12-06-2011, 18:24
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Quote:
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We should just import more oil from other nations.
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Biofuels are good if they can reduce dependency on foreign oil, but at what cost? IMO, they should wait until they get the cost of them down enough first, especially with the current budget environment. Also, using biofuels infringes on the nation's ability to feed itself. There isn't enough farmland to grow all the food and supply the nation with biofuels as well. The corn crop must go for one or the other, it can't do both.
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