Helicopter crash - Page 6

**Richard** · 08-08-2011, 07:29

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob

The news media will not rest until they have interviewed the families of every one of the casualties.

This sickens me.

MOO - but it's the job of the media to report news and, in such instances as this, to try and talk with people who can allow Americans to learn a bit about exactly what type of citizens volunteer to serve and risk their lives for our national ideals.

It's up to the families to allow themselves to be interviewed or not - their call, not ours.

However, YMMV - and so it goes...

Richard

08-08-2011, 07:48

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Originally Posted by kcphoenix

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...est=latestnews

Fox News reporting the men were all from SEAL Team 6. Still a dark day for the US.

Fox News has it wrong. There is no ST-6, it went away around 1990 . We shouldn't be using unit identifiers on these boards as everybody reads them (including the Taliban).

My son is going to be down at Virginia Beach for the next 3 weeks or so to minister to the families of the fallen. His job is going to suck and I just hope God gives him the strength to carry on. He used to be Deputy Command Chaplain for Special Forces Command but went "behind the wire" after he got promoted.

Utah Bob · 08-08-2011, 09:41

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Originally Posted by Richard

MOO - but it's the job of the media to report news and, in such instances as this, to try and talk with people who can allow Americans to learn a bit about exactly what type of citizens volunteer to serve and risk their lives for our national ideals.

It's up to the families to allow themselves to be interviewed or not - their call, not ours.

However, YMMV - and so it goes...

Richard

I think the immediacy of it is what bothers me. Give the families time to grieve. They have just been notified, are probably in shock and are easy targets right now.
In my opinion, it's about ratings with the media, not journalism. I can't see Cronkite doing it.

ObliqueApproach · 08-08-2011, 10:28

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Originally Posted by colmurph

Fox News has it wrong. There is no ST-6, it went away around 1990 . We shouldn't be using unit identifiers on these boards as everybody reads them (including the Taliban).

"My son is going to be down at Virginia Beach for the next 3 weeks or so to minister to the families of the fallen. His job is going to suck and I just hope God gives him the strength to carry on. He used to be Deputy Command Chaplain for Special Forces Command but went "behind the wire" after he got promoted.

Give our best to him and our understanding that he is doing one of the most important jobs there is and we all appreciate his service!

kcphoenix · 08-08-2011, 11:34

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Originally Posted by colmurph

Fox News has it wrong. There is no ST-6, it went away around 1990 . We shouldn't be using unit identifiers on these boards as everybody reads them (including the Taliban).

My son is going to be down at Virginia Beach for the next 3 weeks or so to minister to the families of the fallen. His job is going to suck and I just hope God gives him the strength to carry on. He used to be Deputy Command Chaplain for Special Forces Command but went "behind the wire" after he got promoted.

Understood Sir, I will ensure to refrain from posting any such identifiers in the future. My heart and support is with your son and the families touched by this tragedy. Please let your son know he too is in our prayers for the selfless support he will be providing these Heroes loved ones.

wch84 · 08-08-2011, 15:02

Such a terrible loss to our great country, RIP warriors. Prayers out for all the families involved.

dknob · 08-08-2011, 15:33

This is a tough time for many people. I can't even begin to write RIP or Rest Easy as they don't justify the thousands of words I would need to describe the past couple of days.

I just want to thank these brave men for giving their lives to protect my Ranger brothers.

On a side note. I think we should take a step out of the box and actually think about this media exposure with a clear head. The media should not hound the families.. but I do think the families should speak to the media. It is beyond important to show our nation who these people were. If you haven't noticed... there are not that many role models/heroes for our youth to look up to nowadays. I know none of us want to see OPSEC/PERSEC being jeapordized by the recent spotlight over JSOC and its units. And I think we can give the nation some real heroes for a change instead of greedy sports players or hollywood pariahs. you can go ahead and say that "the nation already considers the SEALs, and SF, and Rangers heroes" .... but in reality, all they see is a trident or a uniform patch. At least now there are real faces to these men.

Last I checked not too much patriotism going around the youth these days.

Or we can keep pretending that ST6 and Delta don't exist.

Utah Bob · 08-08-2011, 17:42

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Originally Posted by dknob

Last I checked not too much patriotism going around the youth these days.

I believe most of the enlistees are pretty youthful.

Bordercop · 08-09-2011, 07:00

Here are photos and short bios of these brave men.

Link: http://www.wjla.com/pictures/2011/08...-6217-451.html

Prayers out. RIP Warriors.

dknob · 08-09-2011, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob

I believe most of the enlistees are pretty youthful.

What about the other 95% of America's youth who hasn't enlisted?

1stindoor · 08-09-2011, 10:11

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Originally Posted by dknob

What about the other 95% of America's youth who hasn't enlisted?

There's some truth to that to be sure...but there's also a lot that have tried to enlist and couldn't...a lot that had physical limitations...paying the consequences of poor judgement in the past, etc.

Right now I'm more concerned about how we're going to replace those Service Members when we have a Congress that thinks we are grossly overpaid and over compensated. Hard to get someone to commit to something bigger than themselves when they can read about a tragedy in Afghanistan on page one...and a complete overhaul of benefits (already earned in good faith) on page three.

Hey, sorry your son/daughter/husband, etc was killed...but it's really unfair that the military gets a retirement plan.

LarryW · 08-09-2011, 10:24

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(fm Richard) MOO - but it's the job of the media to report news and, in such instances as this, to try and talk with people who can allow Americans to learn a bit about exactly what type of citizens volunteer to serve and risk their lives for our national ideals.

It's up to the families to allow themselves to be interviewed or not - their call, not ours.

IMHO, "reporting" and "creating a spin" are two different sluts in the same doorway. MSM motives suck. Least what I see and how it's presented have convinced me. When a family is in tears and someone asks them, "What kind of a person was your husband/brother-in-arms/father/friend?" Most aren't going to reply, "I'd rather not talk about it right now." They're going to express their grief.

The MSM race to the scene of any accident so they can get a close up shot of the wreck and hopefully a by-line, and then they're gone.

"By their fruits shall you know them."

They ought to leaave decent people alone. How hard is that, anyway? IMO anyway.

**Team Sergeant** · 08-09-2011, 10:37

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Originally Posted by dknob

This is a tough time for many people. I can't even begin to write RIP or Rest Easy as they don't justify the thousands of words I would need to describe the past couple of days.

I just want to thank these brave men for giving their lives to protect my Ranger brothers.

On a side note. I think we should take a step out of the box and actually think about this media exposure with a clear head. The media should not hound the families.. but I do think the families should speak to the media. It is beyond important to show our nation who these people were. If you haven't noticed... there are not that many role models/heroes for our youth to look up to nowadays. I know none of us want to see OPSEC/PERSEC being jeapordized by the recent spotlight over JSOC and its units. And I think we can give the nation some real heroes for a change instead of greedy sports players or hollywood pariahs. you can go ahead and say that "the nation already considers the SEALs, and SF, and Rangers heroes" .... but in reality, all they see is a trident or a uniform patch. At least now there are real faces to these men.

Last I checked not too much patriotism going around the youth these days.

Or we can keep pretending that ST6 and Delta don't exist.

We (Special Forces) don't discuss SMU's, period. If you wish to remain on this board I would suggest you read more and post less.

Utah Bob · 08-09-2011, 12:19

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Originally Posted by dknob

What about the other 95% of America's youth who hasn't enlisted?

What about em? Are you willing to stamp them as unpatriotic because they haven't enlisted?

Older generations never seem to have any confidence in younger ones. It has always been thus. I find that amusing.

greenberetTFS · 08-09-2011, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Utah Bob

What about em? Are you willing to stamp them as unpatriotic because they haven't enlisted?

Older generations never seem to have any confidence in younger ones. It has always been thus. I find that amusing.

UB is completely on target............

Big Teddy