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Old 08-30-2010, 14:08   #1
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Last production F/S dagger

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I had Wilkinson Sword produce a dagger for me in 2002/3 that is a true pattern two knife with a sharp edge. Unlike the junk they sold the last years of production this knife has sharp grind lines and a "pointy" point. The handle is bright nickel as is the guard and the blade is satin finished. The sheath s brown leather with a nickel finished square-ended tip and a snap retaining strap.

I have a guy bugging me for it, anyone have an idea what it might be worth?

ThXXX

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Old 08-30-2010, 14:20   #2
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Gents,

I had Wilkinson Sword produce a dagger for me in 2002/3 that is a true pattern two knife with a sharp edge. Unlike the junk they sold the last years of production this knife has sharp grind lines and a "pointy" point. The handle is bright nickel as is the guard and the blade is satin finished. The sheath s brown leather with a nickel finished square-ended tip and a snap retaining strap.

I have a guy bugging me for it, anyone have an idea what it might be worth?

ThXXX

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Can you show a picture of it?

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Old 08-30-2010, 14:31   #3
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Gents, anyone have an idea what it might be worth?
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I think you need a professional appraisal..

My default appraiser is eBay and Gunbroker,, and the last original to sell went for 1499.99 USD, one(1) bid. After that they are selling in the 200-300 USD range,, Big Difference.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIG-WW2-1ST-PAT...item27b4126f9d

You might also ask over at BladesForums.com

http://www.bladeforums.com/

Witch version do you have??

A) Fairbairn - Sykes
B) V-42
C)Other??

ref: http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/stiletto.html
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Old 08-30-2010, 18:00   #4
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I think you need a professional appraisal..

My default appraiser is eBay and Gunbroker,, and the last original to sell went for 1499.99 USD, one(1) bid. After that they are selling in the 200-300 USD range,, Big Difference.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIG-WW2-1ST-PAT...item27b4126f9d

You might also ask over at BladesForums.com

http://www.bladeforums.com/

Witch version do you have??

A) Fairbairn - Sykes
B) V-42
C)Other??

ref: http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/stiletto.html
Not sure that a knife from 2002/3 needs a professional appraisal.

Those prices are for originals, IIRC, or the Strider version.

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Old 08-30-2010, 18:00   #5
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20 bucks and I'll take those useless things off your hands!

Very beautiful!
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Old 08-30-2010, 19:15   #6
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Not sure that a knife from 2002/3 needs a professional appraisal.

Those prices are for originals, IIRC, or the Strider version.

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Good point. The high prices come from the "originals" which if memory serves are mostly from the WW2 era.
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Old 08-30-2010, 19:44   #7
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Not sure that a knife from 2002/3 needs a professional appraisal.

Those prices are for originals, IIRC, or the Strider version.

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I used the prices off ebay to show how varied UNIQUE items can get. The suggestion of the appraiser was for the same reason. Documented "last issue" and one off items can be outrageously priced to a panting collector.

Fanatical collators are a class all to themselves.

As an example,, has anyone ever look at the ampersand that is roll-marked on a Smith and Wesson barrel, or on the side plate. Over time there have been almost a dozen different formats. The S&W collectors spend hours talking about the different versions.

Here is a short thread on the N frame series,, there are many others.. 89 threads discussing the & on the S&W forums.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/blogs/d...rs-part-i.html

http://smith-wessonforum.com/blogs/d...s-part-ii.html

I am not a collector, but spend a lot of time reading. Knives,, as long as I can keep an edge on them,, I'm happy.
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Old 08-30-2010, 23:02   #8
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TR,
Good point. The high prices come from the "originals" which if memory serves are mostly from the WW2 era.

You're correct sir. The high prices are paid by collectors who are interested in them due to the daggers association with the FSSF during WW2. The dagger is incredibly rare in its original form, and therefore it fetches 1500+ dollars for an original. Anything FSSF has an incredible price tag on it, and the daggers are surely not an exception.

The current production knives are definitely much cheaper, but they do run in the few hundred dollar range if I remember correctly. I really only remember seeing one of the original daggers at a show, and it was priced around 1700 bucks.

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on the topic of collectors...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT anything 101st from WW2 fetches tons of money now.

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Old 08-31-2010, 01:02   #9
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Something along the same lines, I had two situations with what I considered "historic" Randall knives when I worked at a local knife store. The first one was a college kid looking to price his dad's Vietnam-era #1. Seems he had wanted a Katana instead of his dad's knife and was hoping to hawk the Randall for the money to buy the sword. Completely stunned, I asked him to bring it in. This knife was still in its original leather sheath and had definitely seen a lot of service. As I gave the kid as much of a history lesson on the Randall as I could off the top of my head, I took the knife and gave it a dose of TLC-polished the blade to mirror finish, cross-guard to bright yellow brass, and just a touch on the blade's edge. When I handed it back to him, he about shit himself and reconsidered his plan. I can only pray he actually kept the knife.

The other situation was an old, weathered gent who, if I recall correctly claimed to be part of CCN, showed me a matching set of six #1 Randalls. He claimed to be the last surviving member of his old team and thus the caretaker of the knives. He inquired as to the market price of such a collection or if I knew of anyone who might be interested in buying the set. He was in bad health and wanted to make sure the set was kept intact before he died. It was my turn to shit myself as I never knew Randall made any matching knife sets. I couldn't even fathom a price but I recommended the Smithsonian or JFK Museums. This was 12 or 13 years ago so I don't know if he ever found a proper buyer or place to donate them to.
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Old 08-31-2010, 04:09   #10
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Those are 2 diff.knives you are showing! The top one is a F/S Commando knife,the bottom one is a V42(Devil's Brig.)fighting knife! The prices between the two are night & day.Look carefully at the V42, see if it's marked China...China has made copies they go for $30 bucks.Any more info I may give ,just ask!If you have the real deal...with the original Case sheath...we are talking some serious $$$.
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Old 08-31-2010, 08:23   #11
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The photos

Ok,

Two quick photos from last night, had some trouble with light therefore two different backgrounds. If anyone has seen the knives W-S was putting out in 2002/3 you will not this is a finished knife unlike the $300 letter openers they were selling then.

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Old 08-31-2010, 10:22   #12
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Ok,

Two quick photos from last night, had some trouble with light therefore two different backgrounds. If anyone has seen the knives W-S was putting out in 2002/3 you will not this is a finished knife unlike the $300 letter openers they were selling then.

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almost looks like the 5th group presentation stiletto. I know it isnt, but maybe it was meant to be based off of that stiletto. The price of the presentation stiletto's is around the 800 dollar range. I tried looking online for your knife but couldnt find a thing.
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Old 08-31-2010, 13:23   #13
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F/S

I purchased one of the regular production knives they were making in 2002. The knives were really bad and so I called and was told they could not produce a good knife because of the "British Knife Law". After several discussions, one of the managers offered to make this knife since it would not be sold in the UK and could be considered exempt. It is not based off of anything but an original WWII knife and as far as I know it is the last fully sharpened knife they made with the checkered handle. If you search the internet it is possible to find photos of their last production and you can see the buffed over grind lines and butter knife edges of the last knives.

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Old 09-19-2010, 09:13   #14
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Hey... I remember THAT knife... it used to sit on the desk of my former Boss. Someone's bugging you to sell it ... and it isn't me??!! WoW
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Old 10-08-2010, 08:46   #15
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Chris,

Nope not you, Haven't decided whether to let it go or not....

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