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Old 07-15-2009, 08:54   #1
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Major Refuses Deployment

I heard this on the Schnitt Show and got the URL from his website. Is this just a convenient excuse to not deploy or a valid objection?


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UPDATE: The Army has revoked the deployment orders for a soldier who said he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because (he believes) Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.

Because he's a reserve soldier who volunteered for an active duty tour he can "ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained. Cook volunteered for the tour in May of this year. It is not clear why he did so, considering his current objections.
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Obama birth certificate deniers won a small victory in court on Monday. Meanwhile, one such conspiracy theorist refused to deploy to Afghanistan on the grounds that Barack Obama isn't a legitimate president.

A judge said he would listen to "the merits" of Alan Keyes' case challenging Obama's presidency. While a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office said the move was merely procedural, birth conspiracy proponents are encouraged:

Supporters of a case that disputes the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency claimed a small victory today when U.S. District Judge David O. Carter told them to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to "the merits" of their case. But others present for the hearing Monday at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana stressed that the case remains a long way from ever getting a full airing in court and may never get to that point. [...]


Perhaps because of that history, Orly Taitz, the lawyer who filed the current suit, was greatly cheered by Monday's hearing. "He's very determined to hear the case on the merits," Taitz said, referring to the judge. "He stated, the country needs to know if Mr. Obama is legitimate, if he can legitimately stay in the White House."

Orly Taitz, the lawyer in Keyes' case, is also representing a soldier who refuses to acknowledge Obama as his president. U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook has argued that he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because the man sending him there isn't really president.

In the 20-page document -- filed July 8 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia -- the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces.


Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President's command. ... simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

A hearing to discuss Cook's requests will take place in federal court this week.
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:29   #2
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Idiot!
Pull his commission and send him over as a PFC.
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Old 07-15-2009, 11:19   #3
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Is there any hope for this conspiracy theory about Obama's presidency being invalidated by the courts? Isn't that the same as the hope of one day falling face down in a field of soft bosums?

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Old 07-15-2009, 11:41   #4
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Obee was born in HI post-statehood - McCain was born OCONUS in Panama - what a waste of time and $$ - YMMV - and what an idiot this EN officer is - must be a sanitation engineer who makes a living stirring up shit for no real purpose other than to spread it around.

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Old 07-15-2009, 11:55   #5
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The lawyer that is representing the Major is from California and has been trying to do this for months. Guess he got some dumb shit to file. Waste of time....
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:20   #6
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Idiot!
Pull his commission and send him over as a PFC.
Concur! Said Major doesn't want to deploy, tough! UCMJ works for me!
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Old 07-15-2009, 13:56   #7
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This guy is a "Major Malfunction"!
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Old 07-15-2009, 14:15   #8
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While I agree the Major is not the brightest bulb in the pack, the legal argument he makes is in fact valid. Our authority to function as a military comes from the Office of The President. If the President is not constitutionally qualified to hold office, are his orders valid? This issue has NEVER been addressed by the courts.

Here’s what I think is happening here.

In order to bring this case to court, the plaintiff must have what is known as status (standing) to sue. For example, if you remember the guy who took the pledge of alliance case to the Supreme Court on behalf of his daughter? He lost because the Supreme Court said he didn’t have status (standing) to sue thus avoiding the real issue presented before the Court.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/curre...404_pledge.htm

Most of the cases that have been brought challenging the citizenship of the President have likewise have been dismissed because the judge found that the plaintiff didn’t have status to sue.

This case is using the Major to try to make sure that the case gets heard on its merits and not on the issue if the plaintiff has standing to sue.

There have been over 30 cases thus far in various courts challenging the citizenship of the President Obama. President Obama’s purported ‘Certification of Live Birth’ that was posted on his campaign website has NEVER been submitted in hard copy to ANY of the cases thus far as evidence of his birth. It ONLY exists as a web image. I find that very strange.

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/...hCertObama.jpg

One wonders that if this is a valid copy of President Obama’s birth certificate, why haven’t his lawyers simply presented it to the courts and then ask for a summary dismissal of the case? Instead they have been fighting tooth and nail over procedural issues to avoid dealing with the merits of the case.


At some point a judge will order the President to produce his birth certificate. Then the battle will go to the Supreme Court for a decision.

If the Major wins his case, he will be in the history books forever. If he doesn’t then he can kiss his career goodbye and he will fade away into obscurity. I would not make this bet but to each his own. Consiglieres, feel free to show me where I’ve gone wrong here!
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Old 07-15-2009, 14:27   #9
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Since being deleted from the orders, guess what?

The Major no longer has status to bring suit.

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Old 07-15-2009, 14:52   #10
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Since being deleted from the orders, guess what?

The Major no longer has status to bring suit.

TR

Correct!

So now anyone who doesn't want to deploy will file a suit and the Army will say OK, you don't have to go to avoid the court case.

Why is the administration so fearfull of having the birth issue heard before a court?
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Old 07-15-2009, 15:09   #11
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There's more!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104044

According to this article, DOD had him fired from his CIVILIAN job!
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Old 07-15-2009, 15:15   #12
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Fact or Fiction it is a waste of time. If it true that O is not a citizen I highly doubt anyone is willing to pull the trigger on it for fear of violence.

It is too simple for O to put it to this rest, and anyone that would spend millions of dollars on a team of lawyers to prevent disclosure probably has something to hide.

So to add to this fire:

http://www.modernghana.com/news/2263...-tomorrow.html


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History Beckons - As Prez Obama Arrives Tomorrow
Mr & Mrs Obama US President Barack Obama is expected to announce a major foreign policy for Africa during his historic two-day visit to Ghana, beginning Friday, July 10, 2009.

Although Mr Obama has made foreign policy pronouncements for some parts of the world since assuming office in January, this year, he is yet to make one for Africa, and his visit to the country, which the White House describes as “one of our most trusted partners in sub-Saharan Africa”, is expected to be used as a platform to unveil his foreign policy for Africa.

“It is expected that President Obama will make a major foreign policy statement on Africa”, Ghana’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Alhaji Mohammed Mumuni, told the Daily Graphic.

For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.

The Air Force One, carrying the 44th American President, his wife, Michelle and two daughters, as well as a retinue of senior US government officials, is expected to touch down at the Kotoka International Airport at 8:30p.m. tomorrow amid tight security by US and Ghanaian security agents.

A red carpet reception, spiced with rich Ghanaian cultural performance, awaits Mr Obama and his entourage at the Jubilee Lounge of the airport and that warm embrace will give him a foretaste of the proverbial Ghanaian hospitality that he will be served with during the period of his visit.

A host of White House correspondents and international journalists are expected to accompany the world’s most powerful personality; an ample signal that Ghana will come under global spotlight for the period of his stay in the country.

Ghana expects to take full advantage of the huge international exposure to boost its image, investment drive and tourist attractions, and rightly so, as the Foreign Minister has called on the international business community to take advantage of opportunities in the country to locate here.

Ahead of the visit, the National Security Council is co-ordinating a contingency security plan involving the various security agencies, but with the police as the key actors, to ensure success.

The Public Affairs Director of the Ghana Police Service, DSP Kwesi Ofori, said the contingency plan involved traffic control, road blocks at short notice, increased police patrols and a full presence of the police at vantage locations.

In line with the security measures, people carrying bags and unwarranted objects are forbidden from going near venues where Obama would be visiting, while indiscriminate motorbike riding and indiscipline by motorists on the roads would not be tolerated.

The recent exercise to clear the central business district and other parts of Accra of street hawkers and traders gives a vivid posture of official intolerance to general indiscipline before and during the visit of Mr Obama.

DSP Ofori appealed to motorists and the general public to cooperate with the security agencies to ensure the success of the visit.

The Ghana trip is the final leg of a three-nation tour by the US President, having breezed through Russia and Italy, where he attended the G8 Summit.

This will be the third time a sitting American President is visiting Ghana, after two similar visits by President William Jefferson Clinton in March 1998 and President George Walker Bush Jnr in February 2008.

The eight-hour visit by Clinton was the shortest, but by no means very significant, given the fact that he was the first sitting US President to step foot in Ghana, and as he later indicated, it was the most memorable foreign trip he ever made as President.

With two nights sleep and 36 hours stay in Ghana, President Bush’s visit glows into huge significance as the longest of the three visits.

Spending one night and about 24 hours in Ghana, Mr Obama will not be spending as much time in the country as Bush did; he is also not the first of the three to visit, but undoubtedly, the significance and historic nature of his visit will dwarf those of Clinton and Bush.

Prior to the announcement of the Ghana trip, it was widely speculated that Mr Obama’s first visit to Africa will be to Kenya, the land of his paternal ancestors.

However, Ghana’s political pedigree as the first independent country in sub-Saharan Africa and kingpin of Africa’s liberation struggle, as well as its recent exemplary strides in democracy, political stability and good governance, might have been compelling credentials that made it a preferred destination for Mr Obama, instead of his own fatherland.

That judgement by the White House will surely be greeted with tumultuous cheers by millions of Ghanaians on the streets of Accra and Cape Coast for a man they have so much affection for, even from the farthest distance.

Already, the anticipated euphoria is gaining great momentum with high patronage of Obama-branded clothes, T-shirts, various paraphernalia and even biscuits.

Mr Obama’s expected visit to the Cape Coast Castle will enable him have a sense of the symbolic ties between Africa and Africans in the Diaspora; a relationship that is expected to present an emotional memory of the slave trade.

Tentatively, the iterinary of the American President, according to information from the Foreign Ministry, includes a visit to a health facility at La and an interaction with Parliament.

According to the White House, while in Ghana, Mr Obama would look forward to strengthening the US-Ghana relations and highlight the critical role that sound governance and civil society play in promoting sustainable development.

Coming at a time when the world economy is going through a downturn, President J. E. A. Mills and his guest are expected to hold bilateral talks on a wide range of issues, particularly the economies of the two countries.

Other issues likely to engage their attention include the review of existing US programmes in Ghana, such as the Africa Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA), which allows Ghanaian businesses to export about 6,400 duty-free and quota-free commodities to the US market; the Millennium Challenge Account (MCA), and the Africa Financial Sector Initiative, which allows Ghana to access facilities at the US Exim Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC).

Others are the President’s Malaria Initiative, the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) and the African Growth Competitiveness Initiative aimed at supporting capacity development in international trade.

“The visit will afford us the opportunity to exchange views and explore ways of further strengthening cooperation in the areas of agriculture, health, education, infrastructure development, trade and investment for the mutual benefit of both countries,” Alhaji Mumuni indicated.

It is the expectation of Ghana’s Foreign Minister that President Obama would continue with the positive programmes initiated by his predecessor “in order to put Africa on the path of accelerated development”.

On the flip side, however, the discovery of oil by Ghana will be an interesting subject for Mr Obama, considering the large quantity of oil America imports from the Gulf of Guinea.

The two leaders are also expected to discuss threats posed to Ghana’s security by the activities of drug traffickers and measures to control them, as well as issues relating to peace and stability in Africa, particularly Darfur, Guinea Bissau, Cote d’Ivoire and Guinea.

There are speculations that President Obama might push for the establishment of a United States Africa Command (AFRICOM) in Ghana after his predecessor had failed to do so, but the Foreign Minister said such a proposal had not been put before the government.

“Should this happen, the government will take a decision based on the supreme interest of the nation,” he remarked.

At the end of his visit to Ghana in 2008, President Bush announced a $17 million package for Ghana to fight malaria and also left behind a terminology that fascinated many Ghanaians for many days afterwards.

At a joint press conference with former President Kufuor at the Castle, Osu, President Bush denied rumours that the US wanted to establish a military base in Ghana and to make himself clear, he said “That’s baloney; or as we say in Texas, that’s bull”.

As President Obama makes his historic visit to Ghana, the question on the lips and minds of many Ghanaians is “What is he bringing to or leaving with Ghana?”

Source: Daily Graphic
Story from Modern Ghana News:
http://www.modernghana.com/news/2263...-tomorrow.html

Published: Thursday, July 09, 2009


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There are also rumored to be documents and Obama speeches that contradict which Hospital in Hawaii he was born at.

So who the hell knows where he was hatched! All I know is that he came from a rotten egg.
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Why is the administration so fearful of having the birth issue heard before a court?
My take is that the president's motivation is two-fold. One, he doesn't take the issue seriously because he doesn't care about what most rank and file Americans think.

Two, he and his supporters realize that the issue is a nice tar pit into which pachyderms can be lured. Challenges to his citizenship cost time, money, and, most importantly, political capital.

In the unlikely event that it seems he'll be required to prove his citizenship, he'll do so at the next to last moment. His challengers will lose credibility for making much ado about nothing while his supporters will Costanza and say "Told ya so!"
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Old 07-15-2009, 15:45   #14
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Obee's mother was a US citizen - he could hold dual citizenship until 18 - at 18 he had to choose - he obviously chose to be a US citizen - nothing naturalized about it at all - saw it happen to a lot of dependent children who had one parent a US citizen and one who wasn't.

As far as the birth certificate:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

I say we all do like the Air Farce and just talk about some kinda uniform to misplace our focus and energies instead of taking care of things we need to do - a national uniform for us all - yep - high on my list of concerns and things to do - yours, too, I'd wager - but YMMV.

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Old 07-15-2009, 15:56   #15
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My take is that the president's motivation is two-fold. One, he doesn't take the issue seriously because he doesn't care about what most rank and file Americans think.

Two, he and his supporters realize that the issue is a nice tar pit into which pachyderms can be lured. Challenges to his citizenship cost time, money, and, most importantly, political capital.

In the unlikely event that it seems he'll be required to prove his citizenship, he'll do so at the next to last moment. His challengers will lose credibility for making much ado about nothing while his supporters will Costanza and say "Told ya so!"
I have to wonder if there is a truth here? What ever is presented, and how it is presented, claims of treachery, treason, and trickery will abound ( 3"t's", I did it again didn't I ). We may never know the truth. Perhaps the POTUS himself does not know the truth.

Next question is: "What is the Major's day job anyway?"

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