P2000sk 9mm Opionions needed

[ccrn]

So I found a P2000sk V3 in 9mm with 2 mags and box for 700.00 at a gun store local to me.

Ive been looking at this gun and others of similar size for summer carry.

My EDC is a USPc .45 V1 which is a friggin nail driver that I just love. But I thought Id like to have something smaller in the heat and Id like for that something smaller to be another HK.

This particular gun is the exact gun and version I want only the caliber is 9mm.

So, is smaller caliber going to really make that much of a difference if I carry a good round?

Or should I go through the extra effort to get a V3 in .40 (not a big fan of this round yet)?

Thanks for any opinions-

[Fiercely Loyal]

I am not a QP.
That being said, I carry a Glock 19 in 9mm. I use Winchester STX +P+.

INMHO shot placement and a larger capacity ease my woes when I would rather carry a larger caliber to deliver a potentially single fight stopping hit.

Again I have never had to use my weapon in self defense but I feel very comfortable with 9mm and being able to deliver fight stopping hits if need be.

[ccrn]

I went and looked at this gun again and its a beauty.

Im leaning towards getting it with the idea of running Federal HST 147 grain through it.

Ive been looking at some of the studies about this including the old 1989 FBI Handgun Wound and Effectiveness paper with the idea that penetration is most important, and permanant cavitation second. I know these high performance rounds expand well in tests but even studies suggest that this cannot be counted on and is no replacment for mass.

I got this from a 2003 test using FBI protocol through heavy clothing:
Bullet Caliber/Weight/Penetration/ Expansion/ Retained Weight
Federal HST 45 ACP 230 gr. 14.0” 0.850” 99.65%
Federal HST 9mm 147 gr. 13.75” 0.689” 102.38%

Im still a .45ACP guy. But when faced with trying to conceal a smaller high quality firearm in warmer climes Im beginning to think this handgun is a good option despite prejudice against the caliber.

With that in mind I think I might liike this platform and round combined. Either that or its go with the Kahr or G36 at this point-

[Claemore]

There is a LOT of good information on ammunition choices in the ammo section of this forum. I don't believe that the 147 grain HST would be the preferred round. Everything I've read here and discovered through personal research has led me to believe that if you can't get a hold of LeMas ammo, and the other rounds similar to that, go with the Winchester 127 grain +P+ Ranger Talon.

[Ambush Master]

I believe that Swatsurgeon's recommendation, based on his seeing the "After-effects" are the Remington Golden Saber or Speer Gold Dots!!

[ccrn]

Thanks for the comments guys I appreciate it.

The Federal HST 147gr comes at the recommendation of one of the senior SWAT guys local to me.

Obviously. if there is a round out there that is proven to be consistantly expanding in human tissue (and penetrating) I want to know about it, in any cailber!

I have a lot to learn when it comes to ammo and that journey has really just begun-

[sleepyhead4]

I own a HK P2000sk and love it. Due to it's short barrel, it has a bit of a kick but it's perfect for conceal carry. The decocker in the v3 (no Leo version) is great. It's located so that you can decock with your firing hand rather than using your support hand.

My personal opinion on 9mm vs. .40 s&w vs. .45 acp is that they don't matter as much as your training. Any real bullet has the potential of destroying/killing your target, but it's the shot placement that will ensure it happens. Personally, I like 9mm and don't like .45 acp.

[caveman]

Originally Posted by ccrn

I got this from a 2003 test using FBI protocol through heavy clothing:
Bullet Caliber/Weight/Penetration/ Expansion/ Retained Weight
Federal HST 45 ACP 230 gr. 14.0” 0.850” 99.65%
Federal HST 9mm 147 gr. 13.75” 0.689” 102.38%

How does the bullet retain more than its original weight?

[demodude]

The P2000 (LE version) is used here at FLETC by the CBP. The 40 cal LEO version has a very sloppy trigger. We have trouble teaching these kids not to really start taking up the tigger until the move it about 2/3 of the way thru its travel to remove the slopp. If this is not done tigger jerk is terrible for most learning shooters. This also make learning trigger reset a little harder.
The gun also does not handle all 40 cal ammo. There are some major brands that we can not use. Certain lots would shoot about 6 inches right and 8 inches low at 7. It happened on 100s of guns. So make sure you pick the right ammo for your gun and put alot thru it.
They do make a short trigger for the P2000 that will remove the slopp but LEOs can not modify the guns.
The magizines also come apart much quicker than most when practicing emergency reloads on hard surfaces. So keep an eye on them, proper care and they work fine.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by caveman

How does the bullet retain more than its original weight?

Temporary water weight gain.

TR

[caveman]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Temporary water weight gain.

TR

Well played.

[ccrn]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Temporary water weight gain.

TR

Nice one!


One thing the guys selling this are telling me is as long as I can get my little finger on the gun Ill be able to control it. Ive never heard that before. My little finger barely makes it onto the magazine baseplate.

Any thoughts on this?

[ccrn]

BTW I went ahead and bought this little gun so thought Id throw in a few comments about it.

Its quite a bit smaller than my USPc .45 and does conceal better.

I went to the range and put 300 rounds through it. Its a friggin nail driver just like its bigger brother and performed flawlessly.

I personally like the decocker on it better than my USPc V1. I dont have any problem decocking the USPc V1 or taking the safety off during presentation probably because I have bigger hands (and lots of dry fire), but the little decocker on the SK is closer and makes more sense to me.

Over all I like the USPc better not to mention the .45 round, but for a smaller chambered handgun the P2000sk V3 is an excellent choice if you are in fact going to carry a 9mm. I still carry the USPc 95% of the time, but in certain circumstances and applications the SK fits the bill and is a quality piece IMO-

[craigepo]

I bought this pistol to carry when I'm on the bench. Small enough that it is basically comfortable to carry concealed. Also, nice to know if you have to pull your hideout gun it's an HK