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LeMas High Speed Photos
Gents:
Last week at Blackwater, LeMas was there for a demo and a crew was there with a 100,000 frame per second high-speed camera.
Here is what the hits looked like on meat, as you may have seen before.
Thanks much to Dan for putting the clip together.
TR
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05-18-2004, 17:52
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Awesome!
Thanks.
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05-18-2004, 18:01
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The military/LE version works well on hard armor as well, yet a .300 WinMag stops in 4 sheets of regular gypsum drywall.
Check this out!
Frontside of the armor.
TR
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05-18-2004, 18:02
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Backside of the armor.
TR
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05-18-2004, 19:47
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I would say that our men and women down-range are in need of this type of ammo.
This ammo needs to be in the hands of our troopers, that is for sure. Stan and his crew do good work.
Am blown away (no pun intended) by the destructive capability of this round.
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05-19-2004, 07:48
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If this is off base, then by all means ignore it, but what does this ammo do against cinderblocks and dried mud bricks or other building materials likely to be encountered "down Range"?
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05-19-2004, 14:10
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Quote:
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If this is off base, then by all means ignore it, but what does this ammo do against cinderblocks and dried mud bricks or other building materials likely to be encountered "down Range"?
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The question you ask is very relevant. I have already arranged for ammunition to be tested by SME personnel in support of those specific testing protocols. I will make sure that the testing information is passed from the folks who complete those tests.
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05-19-2004, 14:20
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From what I've read about this stuff, it is Temperature and Density or moisture in target sensitive. What happens when it hits a 98 Degree Soaking wet vest/jacket ??
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05-19-2004, 15:37
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ambush Master
From what I've read about this stuff, it is Temperature and Density or moisture in target sensitive. What happens when it hits a 98 Degree Soaking wet vest/jacket ??
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If you can give a specific description, or construction of the material I would be happy to go shoot the material and post the pictures. What would you like to see behind the vest to show bullet deployment or penetration?
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05-19-2004, 15:38
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DAMN!!!
Now that's what I call Technical Support!
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05-19-2004, 15:41
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Quote:
Originally posted by Air.177
DAMN!!!
Now that's what I call Technical Support!
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Behold the power of ps.com!
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05-25-2004, 12:57
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Out of curiosity, how does this type of projectile react when it impacts bone?
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05-26-2004, 06:01
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Wow
I'm astonished every time I see clips of those rounds in action. However, my comfort level drops a bit thinking about Mother Army getting it's hands on that stuff. There had better be some serious training to go along with the issue of that ammunition. Twice a year on the standard range just won't cut it (as if it does now).
I say leave that stuff to the Operator types.
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05-26-2004, 06:29
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Quote:
Originally posted by Air.177
Out of curiosity, how does this type of projectile react when it impacts bone?
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A head shot into a hog with the .45acp CQB round will pretty
much take apart and fracture over 1/2 of the skull, upper impact side jaw bone and usually blow out both eye balls, which is unusual because even most rifle rounds do not create near the bone destruction and usually only pop one eyeball at best.
The .308 rounds will completely cut a hogs femur bone in half if even if the trajectory was far enough away that the bullet fragments did not touch the bone.
Rifle rounds which impact large bones directly just pulverize into large chunks like a jig saw puzzle that could not be put back together. Smaller bone structures like ribs are not recoverable when impacted with the 5.56 APLP rounds.
The resulting dimensions of lateral and linear fragmentation patterns from thoracic cavity penetrations shown on x-ray are not due to what some have theorized as snowstorm effect.
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05-26-2004, 08:20
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Thank You
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