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Old 04-11-2007, 13:34   #1
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Pay Soars to Keep People in Military

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Pay Soars to Keep People in Military
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Wednesday, April 11, 2007


WASHINGTON — The struggle to entice Army soldiers and Marines to stay in the military, after four years of war in Iraq, has ballooned into a $1 billion campaign, with bonuses soaring nearly sixfold since 2003.

The size and number of bonuses have grown as officials scrambled to meet the steady demand for troops on the battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan and reverse sporadic shortfalls in the number of National Guard and Reserve soldiers willing to sign on for multiple tours.

Besides underscoring the extraordinary steps the Pentagon must take to maintain fighting forces, the rise in costs for re-enlistment incentives is putting strains on the defense budget, already strapped by the massive costs of waging war and equipping and caring for a modern military.

The bonuses can range from a few thousand dollars to as much as $150,000 for very senior special forces soldiers who re-enlist for six years. All told, the Army and Marines spent $1.03 billion for re-enlistment payments last year, compared with $174 million in 2003, the year the war in Iraq began.

The Associated Press compiled and analyzed the budget figures from the military services for this story.

"War is expensive," said Col. Mike Jones, who oversees retention issues for the National Guard. "Winning a war, however, is less expensive than losing one."

The soaring budget for re-enlistment bonuses — particularly for the Guard and Reserves, which have seen the most dramatic cost increases — has prompted some observers to question whether the country can still afford its volunteer force.

"I believe the whole issue of the affordability of the volunteer force is something we need to look at," said Arnold Punaro, who heads an independent panel established by Congress to study the National Guard and Reserves.

The higher bonuses come as support for the war continues to wane both in Congress and with the American public. That decline is fueling concerns that more soldiers will leave the military under pressure from families who fear the rising death toll and are weary of the lengthy and repeated overseas deployments. The Iraq war has claimed the lives of at least 3,280 U.S. troops to date.

Incentives for Army Guard and Reserve members combined have skyrocketed from about $27 million in 2003 to more than $335 million in 2006.

The active Army, meanwhile, poured more than $600 million into these payments last year, a six-fold increase from $98 million in 2003. The Army gave two out of every three soldiers who re-enlisted a bonus last year, compared to less than two in 10 who received one during 2003.

Those who don't get bonuses are generally in jobs that are not in high demand or are not in war zones. For example, certain artillery crewmembers who re-enlisted outside Afghanistan or Iraq would receive no bonus, said Army spokesman Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty.

Bonuses for Marines have nearly doubled, from about $50 million in 2003 to nearly $90 million in 2006.

The incentives help the military compete with private employers who often pay much higher salaries, Hilferty said.

"Soldiers with valuable skills and experience are aggressively sought after by industry," Hilferty said. He said while the extra money is important, "people don't re-enlist in a wartime Army for $13,000. ... If soldiers didn't think they were doing the right thing for the right reason, they would get out and get a job back home."

He said soldiers with special skills can get bonuses between $10,000 and $30,000, with a select few eligible for payments up to $50,000. Only very few highly qualified special forces soldiers would get the top bonus of $150,000. Nearly all soldiers deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait get a maximum of $15,000 for re-enlisting, just a bit more than the average.

Bonuses for Marines in certain critical specialties can go as high as $60,000 for a new four-year tour. On average a Marine who re-enlists this year can receive as much as $24,000. About eight in 10 Marines with up to six years of service will get a bonus this year, as will more than half of those with six to 14 years in the Corps.

Punaro, chairman of the Commission on the National Guard and Reserves, calls the soaring costs "a ticking time bomb."

"My instinct tells me ... that the Guard and Reserve will continue to be a real bargain for the taxpayer" because the costs for the active duty military have gone up a lot more, he said.

So far, the extra cash appears to be working. The active Army, the Guard and the Army Reserve are all on track to meet their re-enlistment goals for the fiscal year that will end Sept. 30.

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Old 04-11-2007, 13:52   #2
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Sorry TS....I got 25K tax free and have paid off all of my extraneous debt plus some home improvements.

It came about when I was tossing the idea around of re-upping to help the wife and I with consistent paychecks. I had made my decision to do it and was amazed that the bonus was that high, that made the decision easier and I couldn't sign quick enough.

Though it was not the sole reason I re-enlisted, it did help. I was not ready to get out, my wife is running a home based business and is just getting started, my BN CSM said he'd keep me (vote of confidence for a support guy from the senior SF NCO in the unit). I like the Army, it is fulfilling, plus Quiet Professionals are by far the best men that I've served with in 9 years of AD service.

Now the 150K is a definate plus, but the fierce competition for contracting is still drawing out some guys. Though the younger guys aren't eligible, they are offered a substantial bonus, and contractors offer more. It's hard to keep people that way. Deployments are really driving the commitment some have. I know of a few guys that are just tired (rightfully so) and said there is an appeal in the money, but it is just not worth it. (which ties into family and SF running head-on with one another - many threads here about it)

Nothing against anyone who re-enlists for money. I re-enlisted twice and was given a bonus (twice) and have benefitted from it. My service has been the greatest benefit of all. I've made friends for life, contacts to utilize upon my departure from service, and a sense of self appreciation to know that I've done something more with my life for others. Not to detract from the subject at hand on bonuses.
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Old 04-11-2007, 14:37   #3
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It always works that way. As soon as you get out, your career field has a ton of cash thrown at it by the way of bonuses.

I've been in for 24 years and have never seen a bonus. I was always in the wrong "zone" for them.
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Old 04-11-2007, 15:47   #4
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The MILPER message ends on Dec 31 of this year. I'm hoping they renew this message for another two years. I'm going to stay regardless but 150K (less taxes) is a nice added bonus. The rumor mill around battalion had it going up to 250K. I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 04-11-2007, 16:03   #5
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It always works that way. As soon as you get out, your career field has a ton of cash thrown at it by the way of bonuses.

I've been in for 24 years and have never seen a bonus. I was always in the wrong "zone" for them.
Actually you don't want to know how much I received in bonuses......We did get them in the 80's too!

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Old 04-11-2007, 17:50   #6
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Bonus

I recieved a signing bonus. Of course it's paid out in 4 installments over the frist two years just to make sure your not grabbing cash and then AWOL over a holiday weekend. I recieved a second bonus for the next 3 years, paid out in stallments also.

I think I spent mine on the guy's in the barracks that didn't have enough drinking money because I sure dont dont have it now.

Basic pay scales sould be raised anyway for soldiers, sailors and airmen in the first place. If the democrats can peg billions of dollars for shit "Earmarks" then every soldier, sailor and airman should be paid with a real living wage with cost of increases to match the past 20 years inflation index.

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Old 04-11-2007, 18:00   #7
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I'd settle for making all pay and allowances, as well as military retirement, fully non-taxable.

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Old 04-11-2007, 18:06   #8
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Hope this isn't a repost but it may offer some insight into why the Army upped its retention budget.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Tours of duty for members of the U.S. Army will be extended from 12 months to 15 months effective immediately, Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced Wednesday.

"What we're trying to do here is provide some long-term predictability to our soldiers and their families," Gates told reporters at the Pentagon.

In exchange for the extension, Gates said the service will be able to give all units a year at home between deployments.

He denied the order was a sign that the Army has passed its breaking point under the stresses of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, saying the service has met or passed its recruiting and retention goals.

But he added that the military has been "stretched" by the conflicts.
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Old 04-11-2007, 18:08   #9
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I'd settle for making all pay and allowances, as well as military retirement, fully non-taxable.
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Old 04-11-2007, 18:39   #10
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I'd settle for making all pay and allowances, as well as military retirement, fully non-taxable.

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At least the VA disability pension checks are tax exempt. It they are not tax exempt then I have a large bill owed to the IRS. They can come find me if they want to.
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Old 04-11-2007, 20:08   #11
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They are never going to get it are they. Bonuses are short term. If they are serious they need to raise the base pay. A base pay bonus will follow you into retirement. Most SF guys can make more then those bonuses in less then a year, working one good contract. If your not fortunate to get it tax free. IMO those bonuses don't add up to much for todays standards
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Old 04-12-2007, 05:10   #12
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I'd settle for making all pay and allowances, as well as military retirement, fully non-taxable.

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Your retirement pay can hide from the tax man in several states as I am sure you are aware.(PA, DE and others) but the Fed will hunt you down.

More pay is great, but if they could slide it into a pre-tax dollar something to bury it that would be better, short of the fully non-taxable option.
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Old 04-12-2007, 09:05   #13
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Hope this isn't a repost but it may offer some insight into why the Army upped its retention budget.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Tours of duty for members of the U.S. Army will be extended from 12 months to 15 months effective immediately, Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced Wednesday.

"What we're trying to do here is provide some long-term predictability to our soldiers and their families," Gates told reporters at the Pentagon.

In exchange for the extension, Gates said the service will be able to give all units a year at home between deployments.

He denied the order was a sign that the Army has passed its breaking point under the stresses of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, saying the service has met or passed its recruiting and retention goals.

But he added that the military has been "stretched" by the conflicts.
And you know how WE found out about this? WATCHING THE FOOKIN TV in the DFAC. NOT from our Commanders, NOT from our NCO support channel-FROM CN FOOKIN N!!!

Long term predictability? I had that when they said I would be gone for 12 and home for 12. "Exchange it for 12 months back"??? Whois he kidding? And his comparison with the Corps doing 7 over and 6 back twice over being the same as 15 over and 12 back is plain ludicrous.

This was a true kick in the nuts this morning...this means that (after leaving in SEP of 06) we aren't even at our halfway point yet.

I am very dissappointed in our leadership...

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Old 04-12-2007, 09:14   #14
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Sorry for your CoC's lack of intestinal fortitude and ability to disseminate bad news.

Why don't you ask the CSM if she was too busy making up uniform policies to take care of soldier welfare and morale.

JK. Let us know if we can be of any assistance.

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Old 04-12-2007, 09:24   #15
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Sorry for your CoC's lack of intestinal fortitude and ability to disseminate bad news.

Why don't you ask the CSM if she was too busy making up uniform policies to take care of soldier welfare and morale.

JK. Let us know if we can be of any assistance.

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Just sour grapes, Sir-

We have had a truely horrific week here...this just kinda topped it all off for us. Comparitively to those we have serviced this week-our trouble are non-existant.

Sour grapes indeed....

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