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Visual Purple
What is it?
Some of the older guys will know. Some won't. Reason being, they keep changing alllllllll the terms I learned when I was there.
Googling is Verboten. In American that means it's a no no. Besides, I googled a couple pages. Some of us didn't have the simple luxury of the internet and search engines back then. We learned through our training, talking to those that have been there or the old standby..... the library. This is simple to explain. Well, it was in my day. We also followed it everytime we went out at night. Hmmm. Nice clue. 
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06-25-2006, 05:03
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..... We also followed it everytime we went out at night. Hmmm. Nice clue. ....... |
Help, Help, I've misplaced my rods and cones  .
Pete
Who does see pretty good at night. Now, as long as I have my glasses on.
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06-25-2006, 07:28
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Oh no!!! I'm taking a knee in the dark!!
And I won't look directly at my intended target too long, and I will keep my eyes moving.
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06-25-2006, 07:45
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Wait a minute!
Wait a minute.....no, sorry, that was a vine I didn't see!
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06-25-2006, 08:24
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12B4S - How much do you really want out here for discussion? VP is only a fraction of what (I think) people should know about "seeing". I think it's all neat to know but most of it makes the average knuckledragger's head hurt.  The Army has always gotten away with teaching the what/how and leaving the why to those of us with enough curiosity to learn it on our own. Fortunately, as long as you know a few basic principles, almost all of it is transparent to the user. The only things shooters really need to know are: "you have to have light to see; if you don't have enough ambient light, you have to supplement or compensate; if you screw up, there are consequences." (BLUF - how's that for the "Cliff Notes" version?  ) Waiting to see where this is going.  Peregrino
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06-25-2006, 19:15
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Wait a minute.....no, sorry, that was a vine I didn't see! |
LMAO! Makes me recall Ranger School when we used to hold our patrol caps with the cats eyes in front of a tree and then pull them away real quick as payback for some idiot that wasn't looking out for his teamates.. thunk
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06-25-2006, 19:16
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Sheeeeeesh. Wiseguys...... LOL
I hope you find your rods and cones soon Pete.
I meant at first to keep it simple Peregrino. True, there is much more when it comes to 'seeing'. The "what and how" are just fine. I always have liked 'Cliff Notes' versions.
Just starting with VP, then see where it goes. No doubt as mentioned by Pete, rods and cones will end up with a bit more discussion. along with other facets of 'seeing'. Hell, I couldn't describe the exact functioning of the eyeball. I like keeping it simple.
I know you guys all know. Just waiting for some of the others who may have never heard the term, to take a shot at what it has to do with.
Then we can make heads hurt. Including mine. 
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06-25-2006, 19:22
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Damn!!! Oblique, warn me next time you let a branch go like that, so I can duck and let COL M take the hit, he's behind me in the patrol...
COL M - I never wanted to be around the triangular or the 'stacked' cat eyes at night if there were water crossings, too dangerous
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In the business of war, there is no invariable stategic advantage (shih) which can be relied upon at all times.
Sun-Tzu, "The Art of Warfare"
Hearing, I forget. Seeing, I remember. Writing (doing), I understand. Chinese Proverb
Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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06-25-2006, 19:27
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, he's behind me in the patrol... |
Now you know better than that. I would never have a Doc in front of me in a patrol-unless, of course, he was about to update my Gama Gobulin shot ice cold from the fridge
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06-25-2006, 19:34
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COL M-
I started out as as a bullet - wasn't always a pill pusher, besides, you do have your circa 1980's issued gargoyles, don't you, the smoke for daytime and the clear for night.... 10th was great for high speed gear
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In the business of war, there is no invariable stategic advantage (shih) which can be relied upon at all times.
Sun-Tzu, "The Art of Warfare"
Hearing, I forget. Seeing, I remember. Writing (doing), I understand. Chinese Proverb
Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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06-25-2006, 19:38
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COL M-
I, you do have your circa 1980's issued gargoyles, don't you, the smoke for daytime and the clear for night.... 10th was great for high speed gear
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Absolutely, still wear them every time I bust a cap.
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06-25-2006, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Peregrino
12B4S - How much do you really want out here for discussion? VP is only a fraction of what (I think) people should know about "seeing". I think it's all neat to know but most of it makes the average knuckledragger's head hurt. The Army has always gotten away with teaching the what/how and leaving the why to those of us with enough curiosity to learn it on our own. Fortunately, as long as you know a few basic principles, almost all of it is transparent to the user. The only things shooters really need to know are: "you have to have light to see; if you don't have enough ambient light, you have to supplement or compensate; if you screw up, there are consequences." (BLUF - how's that for the "Cliff Notes" version? ) Waiting to see where this is going. Peregrino |
Have you heard anything about using Viagra for enhancing night vision? I'm hearing rumbles about "blue vision" correlated with enhanced night sight from FDA/WHO adverse event reporting. This is different from the anterior ischemic optic neuropathy (optic nerve damage) reported in a very few.
Sildenafil is starting to look like a wonder drug, with 45% improvement in cardiac performance at high altitude, dramatic improvement in cardiac stroke volume for heart failure, dramatic improvement in lung performance...
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06-25-2006, 20:00
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RHIP- they made me give them back, even though they had gone non issue, I guess the support guys at FSB3 on the hill wanted them so they could looked 'flashed' or 'tabbed'...
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In the business of war, there is no invariable stategic advantage (shih) which can be relied upon at all times.
Sun-Tzu, "The Art of Warfare"
Hearing, I forget. Seeing, I remember. Writing (doing), I understand. Chinese Proverb
Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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06-25-2006, 21:23
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Have you heard anything about using Viagra for enhancing night vision? I'm hearing rumbles about "blue vision" correlated with enhanced night sight from FDA/WHO adverse event reporting. This is different from the anterior ischemic optic neuropathy (optic nerve damage) reported in a very few.
Sildenafil is starting to look like a wonder drug, with 45% improvement in cardiac performance at high altitude, dramatic improvement in cardiac stroke volume for heart failure, dramatic improvement in lung performance...
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MW - I might have to check out the Sildenafil. Sounds very interesting. I carry Nitro but haven't used/needed to use it in years so I don't thing it's contra-indicated. I'll have to ask my cardiologist about it when I see him Friday. On the other hand I'm not sure I would consider Viagra for enhanced night vision. Seems to fall in the same catagory as using Benadryl for a sleeping pill - abusing a side effect. (I'll leave the obvious wisecrack comments for somebody else. ) Peregrino
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06-25-2006, 22:32
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For one thing FS, it is an old term. I don't know if it is even used these days. Plus, I gave a great hint. There are some other ones up there from wiseguy QPs.
Another clue:
We were taught back then, that it takes 20 minutes to aquire one's 'visual purple' before heading out at 0 dark 30. How's that? Besides, if you ever got around to taking the mfg's ties off that whip, it would stay coiled up forever.
I had some idea where this thread might go, except for the Viagra and Sildenifil.
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