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Old 03-14-2014, 11:23   #736
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Do not - for a second - think that the vast majority of LEO's subscribe to this Barney Fife's sheeple mentality. At least in the very large group I associate with, the day that we turn our backs on the Constitution and begin putting yellow Juden stars on gun owners is the day we have lost everything.

I sometimes feel as if we are watching our own decline into nation of cowards - or I guess I'm just shocked at the lack of outrage. Laws are changed on whims and checkpoints are set up for DNA sampling?? And now you want to take away Joe Citizens right to defend themselves?

I will choose to follow established and historical precedents - unregistered weapons are NOT illegal - they are simply undocumented.............

"So at this point, what difference does it make".........
I think that when the confiscations begin you'll see outrage not seen in this country since the civil war.....

Politicians are not above the law as they seem to think.
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:57   #737
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I think that when the confiscations begin you'll see outrage not seen in this country since the civil war.....

Politicians are not above the law as they seem to think.
Then can we put them on boats and planes to Europe and take away their f'in computers? :@-;&%*
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Old 03-14-2014, 20:36   #738
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I think that when the confiscations begin you'll see outrage not seen in this country since the civil war.....

Politicians are not above the law as they seem to think.
I hope you're right.
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:35   #739
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I hope the Supreme Court supports the 2A on this one. The ONLY thing I miss that NJ has is their beaches.


Case to Watch: Drake v. Jerejian
by Allen Thompson, Esq.

By Allen Thompson, Esq.

The Supreme Court of the United States has decided not to hear several important firearms rights cases this year, setting aside such issues as: whether a concealed carry permit-holder residing at a house creates an exigent circumstance in which police do not have to announce their presence, and whether a 10-round magazine, deemed protected by the Second Amendment, can be prohibited as a safety measure. However, one case is still standing and the Supreme Court is still receiving briefs on the merits.

Drake v. Jerejian, Docket No. 13-827 (which started out life as Drake v. Filko), challenges New Jersey’s impossibly restrictive carry permit requirements. In order to gain a carry permit in New Jersey, one must first demonstrate “justifiable need.” To many people’s surprise, one can only show “justifiable need” in one of two ways: a specific threat against the person, or a significant enough history to demonstrate that need. In addition, one must show that carrying a firearm is the only way to prevent harm from the attack. Once local law enforcement signs off on the permit, an applicant still needs approval from the New Jersey Superior Court. And, as Mr. Drake found out, even if the local law enforcement authorities grant the permit, the New Jersey State Police is still likely to appeal.

John Drake, Gregory Gallaher, Lenny Salerno, and Finley Fenton, along with the Second Amendment Foundation and the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, filed suit challenging the essential ban on carrying in New Jersey. John Drake, who operates a business restocking and servicing ATM machines, necessarily carries large amounts of cash on him and desired to carry a firearm for protection. After initially being approved by the local law enforcement agency, the New Jersey State Police appealed and the Superior Court reversed the LEO’s approval. The current lawsuit was then filed and the denial was eventually upheld by the Third Circuit. Petitioners then appealed to the Supreme Court, where the case currently sits, awaiting its fate.

To date, numerous heavy hitters have entered the arena as amici, or third-parties with some interest in the outcome of the case. The NRA, the Claremont Institute’s Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, and the Cato Institute have all filed briefs in support of the challenge to New Jersey’s law. Nineteen states* also filed to support the challenge, as well as the Judicial Education Project. A single brief was filed on behalf of the following: Gun Owners Foundation, Gun Owners of America, U.S. Justice Foundation, Lincoln Institute for Research and Education, Abraham Lincoln Foundation, Institute on the Constitution, Conservative Legal Defense and Education Fund, and the Policy Analysis Center. Members of Congress submitted a brief, as well, urging clarification on firearms laws.

Respondents (those defending New Jersey’s law) had until March 14 to file a response. Although nothing has been posted on the docket as of yet, it is quite possible that, because March 14 was a Friday and Monday saw inclement weather in Washington, D.C., the docket simply does not reflect the submission yet. We will keep you posted as this case progresses.



*The following states joined Wyoming in filing the amicus brief in support of the Petitioners: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, and West Virginia.


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Old 03-21-2014, 06:36   #740
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The letter is in the news again
http://madworldnews.com/green-berets...ond-amendment/

This comment was interesting... How would you respond?
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"Interesting read. I did find it odd, considering the source, that they chose to include this quote, which would seem to undermine the value of the very existence of the group writing the letter: "It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace... "
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:45   #741
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The letter is in the news again
http://madworldnews.com/green-berets...ond-amendment/

This comment was interesting... How would you respond?
1. That decision is made by Congress, not the military itself.

2. Contrary to Washington's wishes, the US has a number of treaty commitments for the defense of allies around the world. As the militia is limited by the Constitution to repelling invasions, suppressing insurrections, and enforcing the laws of the union, those defense commitments must be met with the use of regular and volunteer forces.
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:33   #742
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Thanks for that link BS; a perusal of the comments also yielded a more diverse group that read it than I would have supposed.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:22   #743
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I hope the Supreme Court supports the 2A on this one. The ONLY thing I miss that NJ has is their beaches.


Case to Watch: Drake v. Jerejian
by Allen Thompson, Esq.

Drake v. Jerejian, Docket No. 13-827 (which started out life as Drake v. Filko), challenges New Jersey’s impossibly restrictive carry permit requirements. In order to gain a carry permit in New Jersey, one must first demonstrate “justifiable need.” To many people’s surprise, one can only show “justifiable need” in one of two ways: a specific threat against the person, or a significant enough history to demonstrate that need. In addition, one must show that carrying a firearm is the only way to prevent harm from the attack. Once local law enforcement signs off on the permit, an applicant still needs approval from the New Jersey Superior Court. And, as Mr. Drake found out, even if the local law enforcement authorities grant the permit, the New Jersey State Police is still likely to appeal.

John Drake, Gregory Gallaher, Lenny Salerno, and Finley Fenton, along with the Second Amendment Foundation and the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, filed suit challenging the essential ban on carrying in New Jersey. John Drake, who operates a business restocking and servicing ATM machines, necessarily carries large amounts of cash on him and desired to carry a firearm for protection. After initially being approved by the local law enforcement agency, the New Jersey State Police appealed and the Superior Court reversed the LEO’s approval. The current lawsuit was then filed and the denial was eventually upheld by the Third Circuit. Petitioners then appealed to the Supreme Court, where the case currently sits, awaiting its fate.


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A major influence in New Jersey is that the NJSP and other Police Agencies bellieve only they as LEOs have the authority and right to carry a firearm. They are so indoctrinated that any Citizen that owns a firearm is suspect.

The other angle on this is that if the ATM Technician needs protection, the NJSP believe he should hire an off duty Police Officer. Some towns have local laws specifying that you must hire an On Duty Police Officer, using their Office of Outside Employment or such thing. What a small business owner can do as part of his/ her business costs, now shoots through the roof. Many of these towns charge hundreds of dollars PER HOUR for services.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:59   #744
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A major influence in New Jersey is that the NJSP and other Police Agencies bellieve only they as LEOs have the authority and right to carry a firearm. They are so indoctrinated that any Citizen that owns a firearm is suspect.

The other angle on this is that if the ATM Technician needs protection, the NJSP believe he should hire an off duty Police Officer. Some towns have local laws specifying that you must hire an On Duty Police Officer, using their Office of Outside Employment or such thing. What a small business owner can do as part of his/ her business costs, now shoots through the roof. Many of these towns charge hundreds of dollars PER HOUR for services.
Shocking, NJ has a racket going. Take away citizens rights, so LE can make more money. Ridiculous
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Old 03-24-2014, 14:22   #745
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Hawaii Now a 'Shall-Issue' State

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MARCH 21, 2014 4:34 PM

Hawaii Now a 'Shall-Issue' State
By Charles C. W. Cooke
Hawaii, a state that has long been disgraced by some of the strictest gun-control laws in the country, now has “shall-issue” concealed-carry — for now, at least. Per Guns.com:

In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, Diarmuid O’Scannlain, Sidney Thomas and Consuelo Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

“In Peruta, we concluded that the Second Amendment provides a responsible, law-abiding citizen with the right to carry an operable handgun outside the home for the purpose of self-defense,” wrote O’Scannlain for the two-judge majority decision in a memorandum.

“In light of our holding in Peruta, the district court made an error of law when it concluded that the Hawaii statutes did not implicate protected Second Amendment activity.”

If you’re wondering how big a deal this is for Hawaiians, note how infrequently permits were granted:

Hawaii has some of the strictest concealed carry laws in the country. In 2012, just four private citizens applied for a concealed carry license in the city and county of Honolulu, while one applied in Maui County, and all five were denied at the discretion of the respective county police chief.

Nevertheless, there is likely a rough road ahead:

“Hawaii’s Attorney General and law enforcement leaders will oppose shall issue as will our current liberal Legislature,” Dr. Max Cooper, president of the Hawaii Rifle Association told Guns.com Friday. “It is time for more people to apply for permits and another hearing on a shall issue bill in the 2015 Hawaii Legislature.”

“There is still politics in this, so people need to be pushing their issuing authorities to adopt the Peruta decision and start issuing permits and people should go on down and apply,” explained Michel.

The rest here.
http://http://www.guns.com/2014/03/21/aloha-federal-court-strikes-hawaiis-may-issue-practice-unconstitutional/
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Old 03-24-2014, 20:19   #746
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Common Core's version of the 2nd Amendment

It looks as if this is Common Core's version of the 2nd Amendment. If this is their version of the 2nd, I'd hate to see what their 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 10th, 14th and 16th look like.
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Old 03-24-2014, 20:42   #747
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Yep, the gun blog The Truth About Guns finds these every once in awhile, of elementary school textbooks that have some twisted version of the Second Amendment. There was one, for example, that listed the amendments in more plain English for the students to understand. So the Second Amendment was listed something like, "You have the right to keep and bear arms in a militia."
You certainly do.

What is the original definition of a militia?

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Old 03-25-2014, 02:16   #748
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I beg pardon if I intrude, but the original idea of a militia was that the entire body of people be well-armed and well-trained. (This because the very idea of standing armies was abhorrent to our founding fathers.) Switzerland understood this message very well for a long time.

Some very good quotes from said founding fathers here:
http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/rkba/ff_militia.htm


David Zuniga has some very interesting points here:
http://www.americaagainnow.com/support_our_troops
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:21   #749
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The states are supposed to raise the militia (we the people) and then send them to to fight. For example in the civil war you had 15th Vermont Regiment etc. The founders viewed a standing army as a threat. The militia is all able-bodied men 18-45 ( correct me if I'm wrong on the ages).
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Just got an Email from Hornady about Feinstein’s new moronic demands:

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Her lengthy list of prohibitive demands is outlined below.

"Prohibit importation of all semi-automatic rifles that can accept, or be readily converted to accept, a large capacity ammunition magazine of more than 10 rounds, regardless of the military pedigree of the firearm or the configuration of the firearm's magazine well;
Prohibit semi-automatic rifles with fixed magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds;
Prohibit the importation of the frame or receiver of any prohibited rifle, regardless of whether it is incorporated into a fully manufactured firearm.
Prohibit the practice of importing assault rifles in parts and then constructing the rifles once they are in the United States by adding the requisite number of American-made parts;
Prohibit the use of a "thumbhole" stock as a means to avoid classification of a rifle as an assault rifle; and
Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles."

The ban would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds” which would prohibit tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.

Additionally, rifles and “assault pistols” capable of accommodating detachable magazines with a capacity in excess of 10 rounds would be banned “regardless of the military pedigree of the firearm or the configuration of the firearm’s magazine well.”

She must be stopped. Please join us in an email campaign to all senators, voicing support against this attack on our 2nd Amendment rights.
Send a note to your respective Rep's please..you can do it through Hornady here:

http://www.hornady.com/in-the-news/political-action
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