04-02-2015, 22:20
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NTR IVW SFAS waiver
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04-03-2015, 04:43
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NTR = Never To Return
IVW = Involuntary Withdrawl
SFAS = SPECIAL FORCES Assesment and Selection
That designation says one is not fit to be in Special Forces, kicked out for cause, and told to never come back. What makes you think there is a waiver for that?
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04-03-2015, 08:54
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Last time I heard of it, it took the Training Group Commander to change it.
Given the current numbers, I would not expect to see that waivered for someone who quit when given a shot at it.
TR
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04-03-2015, 15:42
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04-03-2015, 19:11
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What did you do, or not do, to get a NTR IVW?
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04-03-2015, 20:10
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04-03-2015, 20:18
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...one single "light ruck" infraction got you "NTR'd" ??
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04-03-2015, 21:13
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04-04-2015, 03:47
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One light ruck gets a counseling statement and an assessment tick on the wrong side of the ledger.
There is more to it than you are saying.
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04-04-2015, 08:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by x SF med
One light ruck gets a counseling statement and an assessment tick on the wrong side of the ledger.
There is more to it than you are saying.
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Concur.
I sat on the SFAS boards for four years, and I never saw anyone bounced (much less NTRed) for a single rucksack weight violation. There were always multiple violations of instructions or character flaws revealed.
The fact that you are asking us to do your homework is an indicator to me.
A recruiter would be the first place for you to look.
TR
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04-04-2015, 12:43
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04-04-2015, 12:50
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What could be done to find them out now?
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Examine your navel.
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04-04-2015, 16:22
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All of the recruiters I have spoken with told me NTRs are final, and that there is no way for them to see what happened. If I had other infractions, I was not briefed what standards they were when I left. What could be done to find them out now?
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No counseling on an NTR IVW? All you can remember is one light ruck? Sorry the BS flag has to be thrown here, there were other issues with attitude, character or motivation that come into play. With the evasive nature of your postings, I'm thinking ethical and moral values, or maturity.
I also can't believe there was no exit brief - TR, MR2, Miclo - is that common for NTRs, no counseling?
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In the business of war, there is no invariable stategic advantage (shih) which can be relied upon at all times.
Sun-Tzu, "The Art of Warfare"
Hearing, I forget. Seeing, I remember. Writing (doing), I understand. Chinese Proverb
Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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04-04-2015, 18:01
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