10-18-2007, 09:17
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A good short read that gives the history of Islam and Terrorism is "The Assassins" by Bernard Lewis. Great book...
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10-20-2007, 19:32
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Anyone watching "Inside Islam" on Fox News???
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10-25-2007, 09:00
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Books on Islam
Books on Islam:
Power, Faith and Fantasy by Oren
The Shia Revival by Nasr
Knowing Your Enemy , the history of radical Islam (forgot the author)
All have intereting insights
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10-25-2007, 13:13
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Dad:
You might want to re-read the registration message you got along with the stickies and Intros before posting again.
Best of luck.
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12-17-2008, 06:43
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Virtual world for Muslims debuts
Wow...this will be exciting.. Wonder when the training camp add-on will be complete.
Virtual world for Muslims debuts
A trial version of the first virtual world aimed at the Muslim community has been launched.
Called Muxlim Pal, it allows Muslims to look after a cartoon avatar that inhabits the virtual world.
Based loosely on other virtual worlds such as The Sims, Muxlim Pal lets members customise the look of their avatar and its private room.
Aimed at Muslims in Western nations, Muxlim Pal's creators hope it will also foster understanding among non-Muslims.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7768601.stm
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12-17-2008, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I'd like to learn about the different sects and stuff. You know, what's a Sunni vs. a Shia and that kind of thing. Ps.com's Islam for Dummies. Book recommendations would be good too, but I am hoping for some high-level explanations.
Now if we can get some disagreements among the knowledgable, this could be a great thread.
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My dad, Louis B. Hamada, PhD, LittD, wrote several books on the topic, the most helpful probably being "Understanding the Arab World". Published by Thomas Nelson. He had an evangelistic ministry for 20 years that educated western Christians on the needs and methods of Muslim evangelization, and church planted in indigenous Muslim areas. He was also a consultant for Zwemer Institute, US Center for World Missions, Campus Crusade for Christ, Operation Mobalization, etc... and taught at various seminaries (Dallas, Columbia, etc...). He was originally Druze, but came to Christ in 1954.
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12-24-2008, 12:10
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I don't believe this site has been referenced here before:
http://www.radicalislam.org/
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08-27-2009, 11:50
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CI Centre has great resource materials...you are switched on to reference it.
www.investigativeproject.org will keep you up to date on recent developments, as well as:
www.jihadwatch.com - by Robert Spencer.
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08-27-2009, 12:23
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This thread delivers. Thank you gentlemen, for the excellent insight.
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08-03-2012, 00:18
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08-11-2012, 06:33
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A few interesting notes:
1) Islam is the only religion that is not recognized in history by another religion or historian (i.e. Judiasm recognizes there was Christ and his activities around the proper time period).
2) The Koran contradicts itself. The explanation by main stream Muslims is that Allah could not give Mohammed the full truth at the beginning and only told him "full" truths much later. Therefore, most believe that if there is a contradiction, you follow the scripture from the later pages first.
3) Mainstream Muslims generally believe that everyone in the world is a Muslim, and that your parents simply were corrupted by Christianity (or whatever religion) and taught you wrong.
If you guys get a chance, google Dr. Sebastian Gorka's papers. He's a specialist on Islam at NDU and briefs all the incoming 18A's on Islam 101.
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08-11-2012, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Adam1680
A few interesting notes:
1) Islam is the only religion that is not recognized in history by another religion or historian (i.e. Judiasm recognizes there was Christ and his activities around the proper time period).
2) The Koran contradicts itself. The explanation by main stream Muslims is that Allah could not give Mohammed the full truth at the beginning and only told him "full" truths much later. Therefore, most believe that if there is a contradiction, you follow the scripture from the later pages first.
3) Mainstream Muslims generally believe that everyone in the world is a Muslim, and that your parents simply were corrupted by Christianity (or whatever religion) and taught you wrong.
If you guys get a chance, google Dr. Sebastian Gorka's papers. He's a specialist on Islam at NDU and briefs all the incoming 18A's on Islam 101.
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If I may, point #3 is very... general. I believe that it's true with some muslims, but I wouldn't call them "mainstream". I grew up a muslim, and I am nominally still a muslim (although if I spewed my beliefs in science and evolution and all that I'd probably get stoned or something, I'm slightly exaggerating).
I actually remember in a religion class in school, the uztazah (female teacher) actually mentioned something to the effect of point #3, but I don't remember her exact words. Most of the kids weren't really paying attention, my reaction (in my mind) was "what!?!? can I have some of whatever you're smoking? Must be some good shit) I'd say point #3 is true for lower income, less educated muslims, and false for the more educated ones.
Just my two pennies, I apologize if I'm out of line in this forum.
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08-12-2012, 02:25
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Sorry, I guess I should have caveated that "mainstream" means the majority of the people we'd deal with or have dealt with in the past 10 years (Iraq/ Afghanistan/ Pakistan, etc.) I have many Muslim friends in the western world that would not agree with these things because, of course, they have heard logical arguements against the thoughts and at the very least consider the possibility of them being correct. I would argue that western, educated Muslims are not the mainstream.
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08-15-2012, 19:59
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3) Mainstream Muslims generally believe that everyone in the world is a Muslim, and that your parents simply were corrupted by Christianity (or whatever religion) and taught you wrong.
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Yep….
The prophet “Big Mo” said: “No babe is born upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist” (Sahih Muslim, Book 033)
Meaning that every child is born into Islam but it’s the parents and worldly influences that later turn him into whatever they become…, and if left alone, he would worship only allah - “Deen ul Fitra.” That is why muslims don’t mention a lot about converting to Islam, they consider it reversion, or one who converts as a revert. http://www.islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm
Considering the letters both Bin Laden and Ahmadinejad sent to President Bush you can see how they were operating under Sharia Law. We were invited to Islam as a nation and since we declined, they were/are free to wage war against us…
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“The Holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on all followers of divine religions and says: (3.64) Say: O followers of the Book! come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught with Him, and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah; but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran)”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050900878.html
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So now that we’ve been invited to Islam, but declined, the following is in store for us according to Sharia.., and all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement with this ruling…
o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.
o8.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed
o9.6 (A: though if there is no caliph (def: o25), no permission is required).
c2.5 The unlawful (haram) is what the Law giver strictly forbids. Someone who commits an unlawful act deserves punishment...
(3) and unbelief (kufr), sins which put one beyond the pale of Islam (as discussed at o8.7) and neccessitate stating the Testification of faith (Shahada)...
o4:17 There is no indemnity for killing a non-Muslim...
(Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law Pages 30-45, 588-595, 595-610).
Basically……
"Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him."
(Sahih Al-Bukhari)
Such a peaceful religion….
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