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Old 03-21-2004, 17:26   #31
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Whatever, what was the domestic policy failure?
I have to get some work done, but I did find this, which touches on the issue a little bit. It wasn't just in the second term, but I think it got a lot worse then.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...301.green.html
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Old 03-21-2004, 17:57   #32
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I don't begin to understand that.

I will tell you that IMO "Hypocrisy is an enemy of policy, no matter who is setting it. " is a noble statement, but far removed from reality in most cases.

Is it hypocritical to sign an Executive Order prohibiting assassination of foreign heads of state, then bomb the crap out of a country when you know full well that less than a dozen people are causing the problem?
I'm back. You're right my statement about hypocrisy is crappy and vague. I just want to know how many people lost their jobs or had a trial regarding the contra/drugs.
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Old 03-21-2004, 22:33   #33
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domestic policy failure

The axe I am grinding is that IMO, zero-tolerance and the mandatory minimum sentencing brought in with 1986 Anti Drug Abuse Act were the wrong direction for domestic policy.

What we had was a domestic policy postured on morality and foreign policy postured on success by any means.

I'm speculating that is a pretty uncomfortable situation to be in, if you are one of the 500,000 citizens in the big house for drug offences, or if you have had property and asset seizure.

Now let's go back to your example:
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Is it hypocritical to sign an Executive Order prohibiting assassination of foreign heads of state, then bomb the crap out of a country when you know full well that less than a dozen people are causing the problem?
That is an excellent, thought-provoking question. I knew there was a reason I haunt this place. Obviously 12333 can be a fly in the ointment. I have wondered how often it really boils down to a dozen people causing problems compared to a more systemic problem. Assassinations may appear cleaner but have more unpredictable consequences (eg the continuing fallout from the Gaitan assassination. this differs from foreign policy in that it was probably internal. nonetheless, as a civil war action may still not have acheived its objective).

Please clarify which situation you had in mind for your example of a dozen people.


edited to add: just to head this off and stay on topic, I know its been discussed around here before that the people in jail broke the law. it's "missy libertarian" to you.

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Old 03-22-2004, 00:30   #34
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OK, how about this:

Were our efforts in Nicaragua successful? Were they worth the fallout?
Ask Daniel Ortega. My opinion? Yes and yes.
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Old 03-22-2004, 09:41   #35
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Re: domestic policy failure

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The axe I am grinding is that IMO, zero-tolerance and the mandatory minimum sentencing brought in with 1986 Anti Drug Abuse Act were the wrong direction for domestic policy.

What we had was a domestic policy postured on morality and foreign policy postured on success by any means.

I'm speculating that is a pretty uncomfortable situation to be in, if you are one of the 500,000 dirtbags(fixed that one for you) in the big house for drug offences, or if you have had property and asset seizure.

Uncomfortable for WHO? Easy way around that, Just Say No.
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Old 03-22-2004, 10:11   #36
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I like this book: The Real Contra War: Highlander Peasant Resistance in Nicaragua By Timothy C. Brown
Thanks Jimbo

Appreciate the recommendation
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:13   #37
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Re: Can we talk about the Contras?

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I'd be interested in anything anyone from 7th Group can share. Stories, observations, whatever. If there's nothing, that's OK too.
Let me try to reset the topic. I am hopeful that one or more of the new members may be able to share some thoughts.

(I saw one starting, then changing his mind! )

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