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Old 06-02-2020, 05:56   #16
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I pray we are all wrong and the Republic will survive. Until then my powder is dry and my hatchet scoured.

Standing by...and watching with disgust what’s happening.
You just captured my sentiments exactly...
Pray the Republic...
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Old 06-02-2020, 06:12   #17
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I keep hearing this "line" that is trying to relate and align current events to 1968.

I'm really too young to have an opinion on '68...but this seems to be an attempt to legitimize the current lawlessness and IMHO diminishes and degrades what was going on 52 years ago.

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Old 06-02-2020, 06:25   #18
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Many States and cities believe the solutions to these type of problems are creating (bureaucracy) commissions to fight institutionalized racism and hire more minority police officers.


Seems like we have been down this road before in the recent past......

https://www.governing.com/topics/pub...oversight.html

https://www.heritage.org/report/the-...tect-americans
That was one of several more things the Obama administration and DOJ did repeatedly to undermine the rule of law in this country.

I firmly believe that he and they did more to screw this country than any President and administration had done before him. Worse than the damage Lynden B. Johnson did with the Civil Rights Act which got this ball rolling on its path of destruction for black peoples.

What we are seeing is a direct and proportional result of how badly Obama/Holder/Lynch screwed this country up. I thought race relations were the best they had ever been before 2009 and after Cambridge “He acted stupidly” moment it all went down the rabbit hole.
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Old 06-02-2020, 07:48   #19
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The world sure seems upside down right now.

Ponder this - in a Blue State/city you might get arrested for getting a haircut or going to church...but loot a store or burn a church even on multiple nights and you’ll likely get away with it.

FWIW from some of my morning readings:

Yuri Bezmenov, “Deception was My Job”, G. Edward Griffin’s 1984 interview, “Soviet Subversion of the Free World Press”, *******; “[T]he main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all . . . only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process, which we call either ideological subversion . . . What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American, to such an extent, that despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions” [and then] “The demoralization process in the United States is . . . A person who was demoralized, is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information with the authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.”

8 Bella Dodd Testimony to House Committee on Un-American Activities, Philadelphia PA, November 16, 1953, 2898; “I was told by Gil Green, chairman of the party in New York State, that if ever communism came to America it would not come under the Socialist label or the Communist label but it would come under a label palatable to the American people.”

Bella Dodd, School of Darkness, The Devin-Adair Company, 1954,150: “Trachtenberg once told me that when communism came to America it would be under the label of ‘progressive democracy.’ ‘It will come,’ he added, ‘in labels acceptable to the American people’.”

10 Communist Party USA (CPUSA) leader Alexander Trachtenberg, “Bella Dodd Explains Communist Ducks” Lecture at Fordham University, 1953,” *******; “When we get ready to take the United States, we will not take it under the label of Communism; we will not take it under the label of Socialism. These labels are unpleasant to the American people, and have been smeared too much. We will take the United States under the labels we have made very lovable; we will take it under liberalism, under progressivism, under democracy. But, take it we will.” (Alexander Trachtenberg, Communist Parties National Convention, Madison Square Garden, 1944)”
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Old 06-02-2020, 07:56   #20
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"Rule of law" thats hilarious - stop it, you guys are killing me.
I'm curious - is "guffaw" spelled with 1 "F" or 2 ???
Also, should we capitalize the "P" in "pfft" and the "M" in "meh"
These are things I need to know before I post - 'lest my credibility as an observational commentator be brought into question.

Let me tell you guys a story about rule of law
Now, this is a true story.
It happened
To me
...yesterday

Maybe it was a few days ago - could have been longer - in fact, it could have even been a story I heard - who knows - my memory is a little cloudy from what I can only assume is a minor case of temporal disorientation brought on by months of a disrupted circadian rhythm, needless stay at home orders, and unnecessary social distancing measures.

Anyway, this is a true story - it happened when I worked at a local swimming pool -
- There was this guy named CornPop; CornPop was a “bad dude” who “ran a bunch of bad boys”; CornPop didn’t like rules but around MY swimming pool you followed the rule of law – or you had ta’ go !!!
Well - one day, CornPop refused to wear a bathing cap, openly flouting pool rules.
I spotted him on the high dive and I just had to lay down the law. I said, “Hey you – Esther Williams – come down from there and put on your bathing cap on or I’ll come up there and drag you down
CornPop came down alright, because he knew the rule of law was a thing at my pool!!!

CornPop was also REALLY pissed off – probably because I called him “Esther” in front of his crew. He said he would be waiting for me outside at 12 O'Clock sharp – I was a little afraid – my girlfriend said I should run. The pool mechanic said I should stand up to CornPop but he didn’t want to face CornPop and his gang with me – none of my friends wanted to stand up to CornPop and his gang. I spent the rest of the morning trying to get some foks to help me sort out CornPop and his gang but everyone said the pool was a lot more fun when I wasn’t around and that I should just be smart and leave before things with CornPOp and his gang got rough. Well, my sense of duty and honor are strong. I've never run from anybody before and CornPop was no different – rule of law and all that jazz!!!!

I felt like Gary Cooper in “High Noon”

I went out to the parking lot to face CornPop and sure enough, he was waiting there with three guys all armed with straight razors and all I had was my orange rescue-buoy. I was starting to wish I had never watched that stupid Gary Cooper movie and just left work early like everyone said – but that ain’t me – the rule of law has to be upheld!!!

Instead of calling the police, I took CornPop and his cronies head on. I told CornPop, “First of all, when I tell you to get off the diving board, you get off that diving board, or I’ll kick you out again. But I shouldn’t have called you Esther Williams, I apologize – I’m sorry I called you a name and compromised your dignity in a public setting.”

CornPop backed down because he understood that the rule of law around MY swimming pool meant you had to chill out and act right – and he respected that I apologized for calling him ‘Esther Williams’. (Plus, he saw that my girlfriend had showed up with a cop.) I was pretty upset that the only person out of all my friends that came to help was my girlfriend – but I was also glad that I had stood up to the gang and came out on top.

By now, all the folks that had been hiding inside the bathrooms and locker rooms began to emerge and started to cluster around me. These people all sucked because they wanted to talk about the rule of law but didn’t want to do shit about it when CornPop refused to wear his bathing cap. I had enough of these turds so I threw my orange rescue-buoy in the dirt at the pool mechanics feet, glared at the crowd, and departed with girlfriend in our horse drawn carriage (actually it was a 1973 Ford Pinto with white letter tires and a glass-pack muffler.)

The rule of law matters – whether its people stealing 65-Inch flat screen TVs or CornPop refusing to wear his bathing cap. Upholding the law has nothing to do with fascism. Crying wolf by accusing everyone of fascism when you get rolled up for setting someones car on fire while your buddies are looting the Food King is some weak tea.

And that’s all I’ve got to say about that.
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Old 06-02-2020, 08:22   #21
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The world sure seems upside down right now.

Ponder this - in a Blue State/city you might get arrested for getting a haircut or going to church...but loot a store or burn a church even on multiple nights and you’ll likely get away with it.
Upside down, inside out..

I read a book awhile back that was posted on here, From Dictatorship to Democracy, which made the point that a civilization/country is headed toward the ultimate train wreck when people are arrested for normal life activities while at the same time true criminals are given a pass. On the low end of the spectrum we have prisoners being let out of jail for Corona Virus, and Rioters being allowed to roam freely in the streets. On the high end of the spectrum you have Federal, State and Local politicians and LE who get a pass on very high crimes.

On the opposite side of the coin the average law abiding citizen must walk on egg shells so as not to receive the wrath of TPTB, and this is a bad omen when TPTB cannot or will not protect Average Joe and Jane.

Add in to that a Media that is nothing more than a propaganda machine and we have a real mess.


It's all a coincidence this is coming to a head in an election year
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Old 06-02-2020, 08:29   #22
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Box, I think you and Joe Biden might have been hanging out at the same pool. One of you is telling the truth and the other one believes he was a life-guard.
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Old 06-02-2020, 09:11   #23
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On the opposite side of the coin the average law abiding citizen must walk on egg shells so as not to receive the wrath of TPTB, and this is a bad omen when TPTB cannot or will not protect Average Joe and Jane.

Add in to that a Media that is nothing more than a propaganda machine and we have a real mess.
Average folks are locked in their homes under curfew while savages rage...”giving them space” clearly is interpreted by looters as tantamount to giving them permission.

Moreover, the legitimate protesters have been infiltrated by (1) ANTIFA and (2) criminal thugs - law enforcement leadership must state this loudly, publicly and clearly to all media...

Bold, decisive action must be taken against (1) ANTIFA and (2) criminals...they are raping American cities and symbols.

The larger, long term threat IMHO is ANTIFA.

To borrow the opening quote set on its own page directly from the linked ANTIFA handbook:

“Fascism is not to be debated, it is to be destroyed!”

It is not a stretch to interpret that quote along with the hundreds of pages of supporting text in the ANTIFA handbook - essentially reinforcing the message in that short quote - “anyone who disagrees or speaks against us IS a fascist and must not be reasoned with or compromised with...but must be destroyed...”

In other words unless you are ANTIFA or submit to ANTIFA you will be destroyed...sound familiar?
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Old 06-02-2020, 09:26   #24
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In other words unless you are ANTIFA or submit to ANTIFA you will be destroyed...sound familiar?
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Way back, if the LA Mayor had said "give them room" in '65 and they'd have gotten over the Santa Monica Hills into the valley it would've been a massive "Cleanup needed on Ventura Blvd!" M2AP was $6/100 and the place was crawling with WW-II and Korea vets and their families who wouldn't have taken that BS.

Different country then.
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Old 06-02-2020, 09:37   #25
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M2AP was $6/100...

Different country then.
Lol, black-tips mattered
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Old 06-02-2020, 10:17   #26
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Nice to see corporate America cowering and accommodating the thugs or is it merely the empty words of a self loathing victim of brainwashing....

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For those in the black community, we know you carry an extra burden right now and 23andMe stands in solidarity with you.

Our company is based on the foundation that all of us are linked by a shared thread - DNA - that we are genetically 99.5% the same. We share so much in common, yet black and brown skin means you will disproportionately experience injustices and prejudice that can put lives on completely different trajectories.

I feel awful and overwhelmed by the events going on. Hashtag after hashtag, there is little meaningful change. How can we break the cycle? The world is filled with people who, I believe, genuinely want to create an equitable society but are unsure how to take the first step to make that happen. We all have habits we need to break, biases we need to actively fight and silence we need to end.

As a leader who really cares, I feel the responsibility to not just talk about Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, but to make meaningful changes and contributions through my own actions and how we operate at 23andMe. Our management team, Board and employee base must have greater diversity. I am ashamed to say I do not have a single black employee who is at Director level or above. Our product is euro-centric but must expand to be inclusive and equitable. We absolutely have the potential to be better. Despite our efforts, I have to honestly say that we are also part of the problem.

I'm holding myself accountable. I'm holding 23andMe accountable. And I'm asking that our customers hold us accountable. This will include making sure that we change our hiring practices, that we make sure we give greater promotional opportunities within the company, that we dedicate resources to evolve our product to better represent all communities and that my management team and Board have more inclusive representation.

George Floyd and many others in the black community died an unjust and tragic death. I send my deepest sympathy to the families, friends and communities that are grieving. We regrettably cannot change the past but I can certainly learn from this and will do everything I can to be part of changing the future.

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Mark Cuban said the most stupid thing I’ve heard today: “White people should abandon their identity, we’re the problem” or something to that effect
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Long but the best description of Marxism and the religious overtones of it

https://www.*******.com/watch?v=nt58gg1DQGk
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search for this on the forbidden channel

"Why Marxism?" An Evening at FEE with C. Bradley Thompson
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Mark Cuban said the most stupid thing I’ve heard today: “White people should abandon their identity, we’re the problem” or something to that effect
Yup. Stupid.

For the record, I’d be pissed (and lobby for criminal charges based on what I saw in various videos) if that knee had crushed the life out of ANYONE who was not resisting.

The perpetrator (in this case the officer) was criminally wrong BIG TIME period. He had the suspect subdued and in control and no longer appeared to require the force imposed by his knee on the neck/throat area.

Is it possible to observe a situation and assign accountability anymore in America without making this strictly a race issue?

The criminal looters are wrong BIG TIME regardless of race.

ANTIFA is instigating insurrection, engaging in violence and subversion and are wrong BIG TIME regardless of race.

The officer who killed Mr. Floyd was wrong BIG TIME regardless of race.

Are these observations regarding the content of character and not color of skin even possible any longer? That’s just rhetorical...there are so many who wish to use and abuse race to divide and conquer this country. Shame on them.
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